Whats the fuel price/situation like in the ATL?
http://www.atlantagasprices.com/
The high dollar gas prices are BS and a money making sceme. I dont believe in anyway that the price of gas has to be this much. Before it was due to the war and the cost of a barrell of oil over there was going up, now all of a sudden a hurricane forces the price to go up again? I call it BS and a way for someone to get rich. It would be neat if we could convince everyone but public safety to STOP driving for one or two days and see if the price drops since the demand would go down.
This morning they said that trying to stop gas for a day would not help. It's time to conserve, with all the gas we use for the war, travel, industries, etc., and sorry to say this racing. :-/
How much do we hold in our earth to keep us supplied. If we are using more than what the earth can give us, I see a problem there. One day mother earth will tell ALL of us about it and I hope it is not drastic. The earth has been changing before we came here. As they say nothing is constant but change. ;)
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WOW :o :o That's amazing. This gas shortage is going to trickle down to everyone, even for racing because your gas is a high grade fuel. I know your paying up the ass now. How much is this going to effect racing??? Will it hold any of you back?
It's not the gas the bike burns that concerns me. It's the gas the truck burns to get the bike to the race and back.
They have been coming out with more hybrid cars and SUV's (Lexus made one), hope they can start making some big trucks. Hybrids come with a tax break the first year you own it. I have thought about my next car being the Toyota Camry Hybrid. It's a mid-size car. They run base price at 20,000. With the 2,000 write off brings it down to 18,000, and when I talked to the dealer he said if I came back and bought it from him he would take off another 1,000 off the price. What do you think? If there is no relief in gas prices, I like this alternative. ;)
I think hybrids are sort of a gimmick, though a nice idea. The tax breaks are starting to dwindle now too, though I don't recall the details.
If you look at the premium up front cost, having to deal with replacing battery packs which have a limited usable life (particularly in colder climates), and the environmental issues with disposing of used up packs etc, the economics aren't as great as they might appear. Depending on your driving needs, you also have to do some homework since some of the hybrids get better city mileage than highway.
If I were getting a vehicle as a mileage play, I'd go with something like the "lean-burn" Civic HX. mid-40's highway mileage without all the added complexity of a hybrid system.
QuoteWOW :o :o That's amazing. This gas shortage is going to trickle down to everyone, even for racing because your gas is a high grade fuel. I know your paying up the ass now. How much is this going to effect racing??? Will it hold any of you back?
Making me think twice about the ROC and the WERA GNF..was going to do both..not so sure now.
Hey Clutch:
I am with you on the conservation of spending to get somewhere (R.O.C.etc.). I had pre-entered for a regional race out here and now I'm considering postponing until October just to save $$
The prices out here on the west coast are right at $3.00.
I know you have all read the email chainletters about so called "boycotts" but really now; is it shortage, greed, or just the cost of foriegn oil? I have been :o !
There are still oil companies here in the states that DO NOT buy oil from the middle east. The ones we should buy from they are:
Citgo......................0 barrels
Sunoco...................0 barrels
Conoco..................0 barrels
Sinclair.................0 barrels
BP/Phillips............0 barrels
Hess.......................0 barrels
ARC0....................0 barrels and yes the ones that I have not posted here rely on buying oil from the middle east which means, the money that WE spend on their oil trickles down to the helping of their war effort to kill our AMERICAN brothers and sister, mothers and fathers. Think about it @ $50-60 per barrel, you do the math.
Oil companies that buy middle east oil:
Shell............................ 205,742,000 barrels
Chevron/Texaco......... 144,332,000 barrels
Exxon /Mobil............. 130,082,000 barrels
Marathon/Speedway... 117,740,000 barrels
Amoco............................62,231,000 barrels
I thought conoco and phillips were now owned by Pakistanies. BP owns amoco. It is a british company. Does BP stand for Bigger profits or British petroleum? I get confused. :D
Just got back from ATL (9/3)- paid $3.09gal at Mobil just off the 285 (South of Airport). No line, no fuss, no muss. Highest I saw was $3.19 in Columbia SC.
I know the gas here in Phoenix comes from just two tubes-one from Texas the other California. Since EVERY gas station brand in Phoenix uses the same two pipes (they add their own additives to make it 'Chevron' or what ever)- I think the "whos buying from who" is a bit skewed for at least my neck of the woods.
Hybrids are cool, but like mentioned, future upkeep is iffy and our lovely government gives very little in tax breaks for them and thier development. On the other hand the Gov gives oil companies billions each year to pay for the depreciation of the oil wells as they empty. To help fix the situation, we need more Gov fundinig for mass transit, alt fuel and more stringent reforms on gas mileage and for the Gov to get out of the oil companies pockets. What we can do is stop buying F350's, lifting them to the moon, not towing anything or carrying anyone but ourselves in them for a 60 mile one way commute at 85 mph all while getting 7 mpg on a downhill. Our consumption level has risen disproportionately (sp) in regards to population growth. Conserve. The oil companies will keep raising the prices until we stop paying them, then will back them down 20 cents. More oil is not the answer right now- our refineries can't keep up with what we got. I am trying to do my part by riding my bicycle to work when I can (two gallons a day) and am considering the bus on other days (a half hour longer commute, but I can study and drink coffee for an hour so I really gain about an hour a day!) I know that these things woul dnot work for everyone like contractors, outside sales, or rural folks, but everyone that can must try. Oh well can you tell I am doing some research on this for school? I am interested in hearing how others save energy (not just gas) or how they are forced (by work etc) to be unable to conserve.
I ride my bicycle alot. I think it's great exercise anyhow. I have motorcycle chaps and a snowsuit for winter if I have to use them. :D
Sorry I have not been to ATL but family down there said it ranges from 3 to 3.50 depending on the area.
Here in the DC/MD area.. I saw 5.00 for gas and I kept driving. ;D Near my house its been 3.19/20 for mid grade. My truck is full and has been sitting. ;D But for the last few days more stations are out of gas. As of yesterday there were 5 stations that were bone dry.
me, I save energy by driving hundreds of miles in my 11 MPG truck, unload my motorcycle, ride around all day and end up exactly where I started on the track, hopefully, then drive hundreds of miles back home. This way I save electricity that I would have consumed by watching TV and save resources that I would have waisted by wearing out my couch! ;D
At 50 mpg I love my GSXR1000, 48 mpg R1, 45 mpg CB750, 40 mpg XS11, and 48 mpg FZR600.
Mark
QuoteSorry I have not been to ATL but family down there said it ranges from 3 to 3.50 depending on the area.
Here in the DC/MD area.. I saw 5.00 for gas and I kept driving. ;D Near my house its been 3.19/20 for mid grade. My truck is full and has been sitting. ;D But for the last few days more stations are out of gas. As of yesterday there were 5 stations that were bone dry.
Really?
Some grumbling here in Milwaukee that the wholesale terminals were holding back the supply to stations, and that is what has caused the mark up and the "shortage". Wonder if it's similar to what you're having.
Wisconsin has high gas taxes. Regular unleaded is $3.25 to 3.39 where I've seen it.
Wife now works at home, so her car won't get driven much.
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I paid $3.09 tonight up nort' here.
Dawn
$2.99 in Marquette, Michigan and we think we're getting a deal? ::)
I drove the pit bike to work today anyway. :P
QuoteI drove the pit bike to work today anyway. :P
It's not a pitbike if you don't own a race bike (and I mean race motorcycle, not the "other" kind of bike). As of now, it's just a scooter! :P ;D
QuoteIt's not a pitbike if you don't own a race bike (and I mean race motorcycle, not the "other" kind of bike). As of now, it's just a scooter! :P ;D
Fine, I took my little mini scoot scoot with the wobbly rear wheel to work. Does that make you happy? :P
I've been riding our Zuma to work this week.
You have a road racing motorcycle, so you will refer to it as "pit bike", please.
LOL!
2.89 in Colton, CA yesterday. (out in the sticks where I live)
Never thought gas would be 'cheaper' here than anyplace else.
In the mountains near Palomar, $3.51 !!!
I am down to $3.09 today in Eagle. Toward Milwaukee, it will be more expensive.
alright, we all race bikes, we are resourceful, right?
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they are alittle pricey but you can make one very reasonable.
Dunno...isn't E85 only about 60 - 70% as powerful as gasoline mistures (gas plus it's oxygenate...ethanol, etbe, mtbe).
Then, fuel taxes. Eventually, the tax man comes a knockin'.
On who to buy gas from and who not to buy from, one note. I noticed the list of non-middle east purchasers included Citgo. Citgo, while true that they don't buy from the middle east, is owned by Hugo Chavez "president" of Venezuela. If you're unfamiliar with the situation, he basically kills anyone who is in opposition to his wishes. He also enjoys back door extortion of the US to help our oil supply. The guy is bad news, try to find a different company... there has to be one that is worth supporting.
Gas...
It's all a pool. It comes from a terminal and goes where ever. Additive packages used to be really different about ten years ago, but after all the Clean Air Acts...gasoline isn't much different station to station. The terminals are not exclusive to BP's or Citgo's, Mobil's to Ma & Pa's.
Drill in Alaska, bring it here. Simple. It probably won't drop the price, but the money will at least go to keeping schools in USA going.
QuoteThe high dollar gas prices are BS and a money making sceme. I dont believe in anyway that the price of gas has to be this much. Before it was due to the war and the cost of a barrell of oil over there was going up, now all of a sudden a hurricane forces the price to go up again? I call it BS and a way for someone to get rich. It would be neat if we could convince everyone but public safety to STOP driving for one or two days and see if the price drops since the demand would go down.
This is the program that is called business.
First, let's recognize that we're not necessarily entitled to all the oil at a set price.
The cost of oil is based on futures markets. Bidding, speculation, etc. that pushes the prices of a commodity up or down. Based on supply or demand? Yeah, or speculation there of.
Oil is bought and sold, real oil. But those companies also have to hedge their purchases by speculating in the futures market to ensure that their prices can be reasonably steady.
Oil companies have huge increase in profits?
Ok, let's talk.
If you bought one million barrels of oil at $57 a barrel, $57,000,000. If you sold it and made 4%, you'd make 2,28 million dollars.
If you bought one million barrels of oil at $70 a barrel, $70,000,000. If you sold that and made 3.5%, you'd make 2.45 million dollars.
That's an "increase in profits", dollar wise, but not based on a percentage.
Anyway, why shouldn't A BUSINESS be viable? Should it loose money?
If it cost you $10 to get to work and I was reimbursing you, would you like it if I paid you $8?
If you only have so much capacity to make gasoline, the futures price for unleaded gas could be in peril. Cost goes up.
Drill in Alaska, as it helped the enviornment there when we built the pipeline years ago inspite of the incorrect assumptions of the tree huggers. They also didn't want any cleaning up of forests in California, Arizona...yeah, who paid for the cost of fighting fires? We did. How about increased insurance premiums? We did.
Gasoline? Same thing. Build new refinerys. Not going to happen over night, but if it doesn't start tomorrow, when? Next week, next month, next year? Or do we keep saying that next week, etc.
Any alternative programs for fueling are years and years off. If he Europeans are so thoughtful about their resources, they would have gotten this all figured out so many years ahead of us that we could have bought the technology for a pretty penny. But they haven't. Then, who's gonna finance the new structure of "fueling"..."gas stations" for fuel cells, etc.
Lots of talk, but, worldwide, I don't see anyone with a solution to actually doing anything quickly. Until then, build the refineries, get the oil from Alaska. That will hurt the workers in ports that off load petroleum in other US ports, recognize that, maybe they will loose their job. What are you going to do?
QuoteI am down to $3.09 today in Eagle. Toward Milwaukee, it will be more expensive.
And then it bounced up to $3.12...
Down to $2.95....does anyone remember when it was like .85 per gallon or am I just too freaking old?
About four or five years ago, it was way below that when I went to Daytona. I paid $0.69 going through Georgia.
$.69 a gallon. I haven't paid that in 20yrs........ I can remember the day when cigs. were $.99 a pack. Glad I quit, I couldn't afford to drive and smoke at the same time now :o