When is the cut of date for points if your running for a championship? Is it when your region ends for the season, or is their a set date ccs goes by.
Yeah, um, when the season is over, that's when the points end.
Some regional championships keep going on after the Race of Champions. That help?
Yeah, um, well, thats what i figured, but i just wanted to make sure. I didn't know if CCS had a set date before the ROC to determin who the champions were for each region and class(s).
ROC is a different story itself.
There is a date (SEP26th this year) where points are cut off for the ROC grids. You could be gridded in the regional champion position but not win the regional championship...again, it depends upon your region. If you've got races after that date or after ROC.
Question: Do you have to go to ROC to place in class pts...lets say you finish 3rd in a certin class without going to ROC..do you get anything?
The R.O.C. doesnt effect your Regional Championships. If you dont go, it wont hurt you.
The R.O.C. is a winner take all type of deal for CCS National Championships.
Hi, Scott...
Glad you and Jesse could hook up... I think that's a good thing...
QuoteThe R.O.C. doesnt effect your Regional Championships. If you dont go, it wont hurt you.
The R.O.C. is a winner take all type of deal for CCS National Championships.
I think it's pretty silly how CCS determines a national champion. Do 3 regional (or what ever the req to get to the roc) and win at ROC. You only have to win 1 race to be a nat. champ. Points don't me a thing...expect for gridding...whooptiedoo!
QuoteROC is a different story itself.
There is a date (SEP26th this year) where points are cut off for the ROC grids. You could be gridded in the regional champion position but not win the regional championship...again, it depends upon your region. If you've got races after that date or after ROC.
Ok got it. Thanks for clearing that up. I'm still learning the whole system.
QuoteI think it's pretty silly how CCS determines a national champion. Do 3 regional (or what ever the req to get to the roc) and win at ROC. You only have to win 1 race to be a nat. champ. Points don't me a thing...expect for gridding...whooptiedoo!
Don't do any regional races and you find yourself at the back of the grid, or perhaps even at the back of a 2nd wave in Mid wt races. IF.. you fought all the way through 2 waves in a sprint race, you OUGHTA be Natl. champ.
By the same token, if you have the most points in your class for your region, you deserve to be on the front rows with other regional champs.
QuoteI think it's pretty silly how CCS determines a national champion. Do 3 regional (or what ever the req to get to the roc) and win at ROC. You only have to win 1 race to be a nat. champ. Points don't me a thing...expect for gridding...whooptiedoo!
Yeah, but you still gotta win.
Guys have started from the front and not won even though they know the track.
Someone still has to ride the bike, good or bad.
To be a regional champ, you don't have to win any races, necessarily. How silly is that?
Thomas Stevens did it in AMA Superbike in like 1991 or so too.
Quote...whooptiedoo!
Not as easy as it may seem. Try winning that 1 race!!
QuoteHi, Scott...
Glad you and Jesse could hook up... I think that's a good thing...
Hey Dave,
So far so good on helping Jessie out. 2 FUSA Podiums for Jessie in Formula Sportbike in 4 attempts.... I think thats a good thing too! :-) Hope things are going well for you.
Take care,
Scott
I think it's out standing.
You make plans for next year already?
I've got this silly idea that I wanna race Superstock...maybe a bit of Superbike too...we'll see.
Talk about hard to win races... ;D
QuoteI think it's pretty silly how CCS determines a national champion. Do 3 regional (or what ever the req to get to the roc) and win at ROC. You only have to win 1 race to be a nat. champ. Points don't me a thing...expect for gridding...whooptiedoo!
So how would you do it? How can you compare points for riders from different regions. Not all regions have the same number of races or the same number of racers.
Suppose I win a regional championship, say in Thunderbike, if I have more points than any other regional champion in Thunderbike, should I then be the national champion? Or if we race should my extra points allow me to finish behind you and still be the national champion?
QuoteI think it's pretty silly how CCS determines a national champion. Do 3 regional (or what ever the req to get to the roc) and win at ROC. You only have to win 1 race to be a nat. champ. Points don't me a thing...expect for gridding...whooptiedoo!
If you want to win a "true" national championship, then you have to run a "true" national series, such at FUSA, WERA Nat'l, AMA, etc.
ROC (or WERA GNC or the AMA Sports Nat'l Championships) is just a runoff between regional racers. It lets us regional guys race against some other people and see how we do. Sure a "ringer" could show up and win it all, but on the same token a really fast regional dude who could have won might NOT show up, so it goes both ways.
That said, I think the ROC should be limited to REGIONAL level racers. If you've ridden at least half the FUSA season, you are not a regional racer, you are a national level racer. It becomes very sticky on how to police that.
As far as the winner-take-all aspect, that is the same in many other sports. In triathalons, the Iron Man at Kona is the world championship. You have to qualify by making a time cutoff in at least one of the "qualifier" races, but once you're at Kona, it's winner take all.
-z.
QuoteI think it's pretty silly how CCS determines a national champion. Do 3 regional (or what ever the req to get to the roc) and win at ROC. You only have to win 1 race to be a nat. champ. Points don't me a thing...expect for gridding...whooptiedoo!
There is no minimum number of races required to participate in the Race Of Champions it is open to any and all CCS licensed racers (in fact you can purchase a licnese at the event if you desire).
Now by running regional races it moves you up in the grid vs those that have not run any races (or post enter) and if you run at least 5 (90% sure may be 4)races in a particular class in one region then you are eligible for the championship bonus that is paid in every CCS class/rider level ( ie all classes are split Am/Ex at the ROC for awards).
Why can't all regions run the same # or races? ..easier said than done as some regions have there own rules. Take the regional points to the ROC...use them to grid. Add your points from your ROC finish and then determine the true points championship. That would elminate any cherrypickers that just run the ROC...well they could win the race but not be consider nat champ. I just feel championships should be totally based on points...like most championship series (from nascar to nbl(bmx racing)).
Fusa, wera nats & ama is a whole nother topic.
Oh and we're not running triathelons.
...and it's still silly! ;D we could discuss this all day, it aint going to change CCS....I just have fun stirring the pot. Don't get too bent out of shape people.
QuoteThere is no minimum number of races required to participate in the Race Of Champions it is open to any and all CCS licensed racers (in fact you can purchase a licnese at the event if you desire).
Now by running regional races it moves you up in the grid vs those that have not run any races (or post enter) and if you run at least 5 (90% sure may be 4)races in a particular class in one region then you are eligible for the championship bonus that is paid in every CCS class/rider level ( ie all classes are split Am/Ex at the ROC for awards).
Sorry, got confused on the requirements for the bounus & the awards.
That's even worse. Someone can only do one CCS race and become the nat champ.
I can't be the only one that see an issue with that?
This ROC race is pretty much is just another race that really doesn't have a lot of meaning behind it. This is just my opinion, but CCS should have an end of the year race (ROC) for only the first top five racers for each class with all the regions combined. No post entry, no first timers, just championship running racers only to determine a true champion. Maybe i'm talking silly, i've been out in the sun all day, but thats my 2 cents on it.
The best thing about the ROC is the CCS purse...too bad the regional races can't pay out like that.
QuoteThis ROC race is pretty much is just another race that really doesn't have a lot of meaning behind it.
Really?
Are you serious?
Team Valvoline thought it was important enough to send people to a few years ago. Jesse Janisch...just a 16 year old first year expert showed up...had only ridden his 600 small number of times, and mine once or twice...he was able to do very, very well in spite of the fact that he had little 600 experience, not a lot of road racing experience, and had never been to Daytona.
There is a whole lot going on at Daytona at ROC. If you can't see it, I can't help you. Yeah, it's not as important as maybe some AMA races, but there are a whole lot of people there that work inside the AMA series in support and for teams, etc.
There isn't a huge line between "AMA" riders and CCS/WERA Experts. The points for experts can get you an AMA license. But you don't have to get one. And just because you have an AMA license, it doesn't make you fast.
FUSA is just another series. Not as much travel as the AMA. Regional series have less travel than FUSA. There's more of a purse at FUSA vs regional.
Heck, you can go out and win no championships by chasing manufacturer contingency. Who cares about a championship if you can flat be fast enough to win cash.
Well don't get me wrong, of course it has some meaning behind it. What I think the ROC should be and what others think is two differnent things. I mean sure, if I had the extra cash and time this year I would make the 20 hr trip to race it. My idea of a race of champions should be a "race of champions". Championship running racers out there bar to bar giving everything they got with no cherry picking. Kind of like what nascar has every year with their championship running racers, but i realize you cant really compare that with ccs or fusa.