I was going to place a poll here, but the poll function seems to be missing in the latest conversion..
It seems like this year, everyone went out and bought these 5500+ watt construction site generators that are loud enough to wake the dead.
In the heat, people have been leaving them run overnight to run their AC units, etc. Most of the time they don't bother me as now I'm in the RV and have my own QUIET diesel generator running air conditioners so I can't really hear them. However, they get pretty irritating during the early evening, and I know they bug people who end up tenting within a few hundred feet of them.
I don't mind and I'm not talking about campsite-rated gensets (quiet honda/yamaha's, etc), just the noisy ones (and I'm sure you know what I'm talking about)
So... Should CCS have a rule of "no non-campsite rated noise level generators allowed running between 10:00pm and 6:00am"? Or should this be left to the track, or what?
My personal take would be that any genset +65dB at 7 meters cannot be run between the hours of 10:00pm and 6:00am.
Or am I just being petty?
Your just being petty. ;D
BTW did anyone else hear that next year large campers/trailers/RV's/semis will have to paddock in the area right after the main gate?
I went and purchased 2 Honda EU2000i's w/ Parallel Cable so I can have quite power for my AC/Tirewarmers etc.
It is toally pointless during the day becuase even 1 coleman 6500 100 Feet away drowns out the sound of my 2 Honda's...
At night is where they are nice, they make no noise past about 20 Feet...So I can run all night w/o any issues if I want...
I think a rule would be a great idea....
QuoteYour just being petty. ;D
Spoken like a guy who has a 6500w coleman :-X LOL...
QuoteBTW did anyone else hear that next year large campers/trailers/RV's/semis will have to paddock in the area right after the main gate?
Didn't hear it yet, but figured it would be coming. There are a LOT of big rigs showing up, and space is getting increasingly tight.
The rule that had me confused was the "no race engines before Group 1 1st call" On Sunday.
This was fine for those of us that were there and got through tech on Saturday, but what about those who only come for the sprints?
I know the signage at the track says "no race engines before 7:00am" and I can understand the concerns of those living near the track, but it seems to me that the event/tech schedule shouldn't be in direct conflict with a track rule. One or the other should be changed.
I also wonder about the "no pit-bikes more than 1/2 hour after the race" rule. Is a street-legal, licensed scooter considered a pit bike? I was considering getting a Zuma or Ruckus scooter for pit use next season, but may change my mind if I can't use it at all in the evenings. I know the "fiddys" have caused some problems with running unauthorized beat laps and various other offenses which I'm sure has resulted in the crackdown, but shouldn't there be a place for responsible evening scooter use? Another case where a noise limit wouldn't seem unreasonable.
The problem with "responsible" evening scooter use is defining and enforcing "responsible".
Far too many people drink and get carried away. I know it's not everyone, but the few have spoiled it. IMHO, the 'no motorized pitbikes 30 mins after the final race' is a good call. But that's just my opinion.
The other way around it would be to actually enforce some rules. IMHO, when a person blatantly violates a rule (i.e., running a pitbike on the track in a race manner), that person should be removed from the track and/or fined HEAVILY (like $500). There's just no excuse for it.
But start a new thread for that Mr. Threadjacker! LOL.. back to the genny talk.
QuoteBut start a new thread for that Mr. Threadjacker! LOL
Sorry about that... We now return you to your regularly scheduled generator thread!
QuoteSpoken like a guy who has a 6500w coleman :-X LOL...
Didn't hear it yet, but figured it would be coming. There are a LOT of big rigs showing up, and space is getting increasingly tight.
What generator? I still have yet to get one. ;D Hell I dont even use tire warmers.
Ridge, the sign in front says 8am, not 7am. ;D
But for purposes of a licensed scooter being classed as a pit bike, my take is that unless you could ride it to the track (being in the country its not legal on highways), it would be a pit bike by tracks def.
Actually it would be nice if they (CCS) would actually enforce the competitor numbers on the pitbike rule.
QuoteWhat generator? I still have yet to get one. ;D Hell I dont even use tire warmers.
You only need those if you actually were racing ;)
QuoteYou only need those if you actually were racing ;)
Yea rub it in. See who's gonna gets the meatball flag when they show up at BHF. ;D
Actually, I don't have a problem with this, but not all of us can afford 1 let alone 2 EU2000's ::)
I can't quantify 65DB @ 7 meters (I know what 104 DB on 1 watt sounds like - College years with Cerwin Vegas! ;))
As long as it doesn't rule out everyone but the Honda's / Yamaha's
the 65dB @7M was pulled out of my backside. The quiet hondas are in the low 50's. 60 is normal human conversation.
65db at 7M would shut down most generators. But the thing is, it's ONLY a 10P-6A rule. During the day, I don't really care if you run your mega-watt craftsman genny.
You know what?
A little something called COURTESY would go a long way in this world. If you have an Airplane Engine of a Gerator, Park in a manner in the paddock so you can point the thing away from everyone else..Don't park in the middle of the paddock and point it towards everone else...
I have a 8.5x20 Foot enclosed trailer and for whatever reason people think it is ok use 100' of extension cable to "park" their generator on the other side of MY Trailer...
I had several people do this to me at MAM people who I don't even know, to the point where I just went over and turned it off. You buy a loud a$$ generator, keep it in your pit area, not mine...
Quotethe 65dB @7M was pulled out of my backside. The quiet hondas are in the low 50's. 60 is normal human conversation.
65db at 7M would shut down most generators. But the thing is, it's ONLY a 10P-6A rule. During the day, I don't really care if you run your mega-watt craftsman genny.
Yeah, missed the part about 10P-6A rule. I don't have a problem with it...
BTW, if your dog is barking at like 2AM do something about it as well!
QuoteYou buy a loud a$$ generator, keep it in your pit area, not mine...
I agree with that....
QuoteI have a 8.5x20 Foot enclosed trailer and for whatever reason people think it is ok use 100' of extension cable to "park" their generator on the other side of MY Trailer...
I think I might have been one to ask you if you could turn off a genny just to find out it wasn't yours... :-/
But that is also a great point. If you're running your loud genny behind your trailer because it's too noisy to sit in the middle of your pit, think about the people you came in and parked next to who are DIRECTLY in the line of the noise...
People aren't that big on confrontations, so please have a bit of consideration...
If the generators are too noisy, go to Home Depot or a hardware store and purchase some metal conduit and re-route the noise to a more suitable departure; like about 6' above the ground.
I've seen this done, it works well and probably would cost more than a few $$.
When I grow up, I will buy a Honda Generator too ;D
QuoteRidge, the sign in front says 8am, not 7am.
Yep, that's what I meant. Would be much better if it was 7am.
This March at VIR during a trackday I was trying to be courteous with my 5500 POS Sams Club one and turned it off at night. It got down to the low 40's by 2am so I threw coutesy out the window and went and started it. Sorry but I am not going to freeze my balls off because of your tender ears during a cold spell when I have a perfectly good heater right next to me. ;D Now if I do go to a track with no power I would do everything in my power to make it more comfortable for you so I can run my AC during the night. What is that baffle idea that someone was talking about? Get some conduit and huh?
QuoteI had several people do this to me at MAM people who I don't even know, to the point where I just went over and turned it off. You buy a loud a$$ generator, keep it in your pit area, not mine...
Maybe they hadnt realized it was a problem on the backside of your trailer? Space gets limited and we all deal with it... dunno if turning off someone elses power is such a "courteous" thing to do... that becomes a safety issue in my book.
I would think (I think jeff mentioned it) noone is going to be confrontational about it, just ask, they'll comply.
Not everyone can afford a quiet generator, but again not everyone should have to battle your sound to hear the calls. its a touchy area, but we are adults right... well... most of the time anyway! ;D
10p-6am policy for shut off seems reasonable. ACC was interesting as all on the edge of the road had cords out to the other course, where their generators and my pit was. Pretty damn loud and annoying, but as someone pointed out the quiet gens are mucho $$$. Who gets the policy making on this one? Are you wanting this specifically for BHF?
BTW, if we end up limiting generators, then I don't think people should be talking loudly at 2AM or banging stuff on their bikes.
How far do you want to take it?
QuoteMaybe they hadnt realized it was a problem on the backside of your trailer? Space gets limited and we all deal with it... dunno if turning off someone elses power is such a "courteous" thing to do... that becomes a safety issue in my book.
Your missing my point...
These people used 100+ foot extension cords to "relocate" their generators 100+ feet away from where they were pitted...
Had nothing to do with space, and everything thing to do with "I am a tight wad, so I purchased a loud sh1tty generator, and don't want to listen to it"
FWIW, I only turned the generator off after I asked them to kindly move it into "their area" and when they did not comply is when I turned it off...
Then they moved it... ::)
Quote10p-6am policy for shut off seems reasonable. ACC was interesting as all on the edge of the road had cords out to the other course, where their generators and my pit was. Pretty damn loud and annoying, but as someone pointed out the quiet gens are mucho $$$. Who gets the policy making on this one? Are you wanting this specifically for BHF?
I'd like to see it across the board.
QuoteBTW, if we end up limiting generators, then I don't think people should be talking loudly at 2AM or banging stuff on their bikes.
How far do you want to take it?
If someone is partying loudly, I have no issue asking them to tone it down. Banging on a bike is fairly rare as opposed to the increasing number of loud generators.
I'm not trying to be a Nazi here, just looking for some consideration. Since there are an increasing number of people who don't seem to care so long as they are comfortable, I think the issue should be addressed.
It's a common courtesy thing that some people are refusing to acknowledge. Kinda like leaving your VP containers and old tires next to the garbage can...
QuoteYour missing my point...
These people used 100+ foot extension cords to "relocate" their generators 100+ feet away from where they were pitted...
Had nothing to do with space, and everything thing to do with "I am a tight wad, so I purchased a loud sh1tty generator, and don't want to listen to it"
FWIW, I only turned the generator off after I asked them to kindly move it into "their area" and when they did not comply is when I turned it off...
Then they moved it... ::)
sorry , thought from your post it just "got to the point where you turned it off"... if you talked to them first then they need a smackin in the head. Its not uncommon for people to move their generators to the opposite side of their trailer/truck. My point was simply, (at first) they maybe didnt realize it was a problem, this has happened to me before, typically when someone shows up sunday and pits near us.
Not trying to debate this, just makin a statement... If the decision is to either A. Buy a generator I can afford. Or B. Not have one at all... does it make me a tightwad? Or less financially sound to buy the nice genny? Just keepin it friendly!! ;) Those quiet ones are not cheap and most racers are more... lets just say... thrifty!!
As for not wanting to listen to it... thats where I agree with you. You bought it, you should bear the brunt of your purchase!
QuoteI'd like to see it across the board.
If someone is partying loudly, I have no issue asking them to tone it down. Banging on a bike is fairly rare as opposed to the increasing number of loud generators.
I'm not trying to be a Nazi here, just looking for some consideration. Since there are an increasing number of people who don't seem to care so long as they are comfortable, I think the issue should be addressed.
It's a common courtesy thing that some people are refusing to acknowledge. Kinda like leaving your VP containers and old tires next to the garbage can...
I agree 100% with you Jeff. Not trying to argue (sorry if its coming across that way).
The consideration factor is going out the door every where you look.
QuoteHad nothing to do with space, and everything thing to do with "I am a tight wad, so I purchased a loud sh1tty generator, and don't want to listen to it"
Placement was inconsiderate of them, but buying a loud generator does not make one a tightwad.
I don't know how much you make a year (nor do I care), but ~1K for a generator is about 1/3 of my annual racing budget. So no, I don't consider myself a "tightwad" for buying a "medium loud" generator.
And for the record, I really have nothing against loud generators powering tire warmers or fans during the day. It's just the sleeping hours (which we all seem to be in agreement with).
EAR PLUGS! ;) work great.. less filling.
Chill out fela's I was not saying everyone with a Loud Generator is a Tightwad...
Just these dudes... ;D
And I 100% support the use of Loud Noisy Generators during the day, just leave them in your area ;D
.. just in case anyone missed it..
EAR PLUGS :D
I saw someone wrap the generator with some foam, it seemed to really muffle the sound. I think I may try that at gingerman !
I can vouch for extractor, there were atleast 4 NOISY generators right behind his trailer... If I dropped 1800 on nice quiet Honda generators I would be kinda pissed too !
For the record I have a Home Depot sepcial !!! Coleman 6500 baby !!! Its not near as loud as some of those others though... !!!
I may have my exhaust welder friend fit a old Hindle exhaust on my generator... :D
QuoteI may have my exhaust welder friend fit a old Hindle exhaust on my generator... :D
As opposed to the D&D that's on there now! LOL :o ;D :D
I actually found a place that sells mufflers and exhausts for LOUD Genny's. I am thinking that I am going to order it and see how it works. I report back on this thread.
If anyone else is interested go here:
http://www.jackssmallengines.com/strap5s.cfm
Funny thing is the manufacturerer is SuperTrapp.
Quiet generators have a lot more than "better mufflers".
Ear plugs...I'll repeat that one too.
Aren't we talking about a race track? If it's too loud, hey, maybe a different sport like golf or croquette is better suited to some's taste.
Racing sometimes is about doing in the face of circumstances that aren't really like those of others. If you've got problems with the enviornment is AT the track...maybe a KOA or a hotel are better places to be.
Is this like non smokers trying to get all the bars in an area to be non smoking? But then when they get those laws past, the non smokers don't go to the bars that had the smokers anyway...
Yeah, I know, it isn't the same kind of analogy, but...
We are talking about a race track at night. There is no excuse for being loud at night just because you are at a race track. Tracks already have problems with neighbors due to noise, excessive noise at night could get a race track closed.
Ear plugs at night are not the best solution. I don't like them while trying to sleep. I can hear my heart beat and blood flowing through my ears. I find it very irritating.
People should learn to be considerate of others.
Do unto others ....
QuoteDo unto others ....
..then RUN!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D
Thank you Brian...
Dave, I'm guessing you missed the 10P-6A comment I stated several times.
QuoteIs this like non smokers trying to get all the bars in an area to be non smoking? But then when they get those laws past, the non smokers don't go to the bars that had the smokers anyway...
Nothing like it. It's about being appropriate for the time and place. It's about saying "sure, you can smoke at the bar at night, when it's open as a bar, but in the daytime when we convert it to a daycare, we don't want you smoking here as it's not really appropriate"...
Regardless, the point is moot though since CCS will not consider a regulation on it. It's up to the tracks individually.
QuoteAren't we talking about a race track? If it's too loud, hey, maybe a different sport like golf or croquette is better suited to some's taste.
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I was going to keep quite here...
But at the last BHFs...
Sunday morning, I woke and walk upto the silo at pit in.
I was shocked at what I saw and HEARD!
Some "Tool" rolled in Saturday night, set up his Genny less then 15 feet from someone elses tent.
Not that big of a deal, except...
The generator ran all night, and it sounded like sh1t was about to rattle off of it.
These people came in...
With NO regaurd for the people in the tent...
And started their generator, so they co sleep in the nice AC trailer.
That was wrong. Racing or not
XIII
I was about 100 yards away if not further and I could hear it run over my genny.. :-/
Oh well... horse beat to death...
I would just go beat on the side of thier trailers and tell them that thier crap is to loud and ask if they mind if I shut it off while trying to sleep.
I dont run mine at night... and have been to every event this year and have not had a problem of people being that inconsiderate... so I think you guys are kinda blowing the problem out of proportion a bit ???