A couple other race organiations have a Team Race that has become a race favorite to watch. CCS should consider adding such a race. 20 minute race with a mandatory 2 rider entry. Both riders use the same bike and change-off after 10 minutes of riding. :o
It may be a good money maker for all parties involved! ;)
I would be more for implementing more of a team challenge race that is longer and requires a stop for at least fuel.
Endurance racing is the most fun you can have with your leathers on. Some friends and I have been known to travel almost 1000 miles one way for a chance to race endurance.
Like a four (4) hour endurance race? :)
uhh.. don't they already have team/endurance races?
QuoteEndurance racing is the most fun you can have with your leathers on. Some friends and I have been known to travel almost 1000 miles one way for a chance to race endurance.
I was just asking that same friend if he thought that he could make the second Hallett...
Quoteuhh.. don't they already have team/endurance races?
FUSA does, CCS doesn't. I'd be up for a one or two hour race.
QuoteLike a four (4) hour endurance race? :)
Oh yeah!
QuoteI was just asking that same friend if he thought that he could make the second Hallett...
Oh yeah!
I agree, a four hour team race utilizing 2 riders that could change off after a minimum of 90 minutes of riding. I know this would be a spectator favorite! Could be held the Saturday afternoon before the Sunday races...
90 minute minimum? :o damn, that would be impossible for some people, i know i couldnt do it.
AND... what classes do you want to get rid of to be able to do a CCS Endurance race. There's barely enough time now to do the races they have.
That's easy. Skip the GT races, because the endurance race would allow bikes of all sizes, expert and amateur. Now you've saved at least 2 hours. Make it a 2-3 rider format, and charge triple what the GT race costs. Now the money is the same for CCS, and we have a real endurance series to compete in.
GT races.. that's only about an hour and a half.. Plus.. that's like 80 bikes between those 3 classes.
That would suck.. I'm not gonna do an endurance race on my 125, so I would have to: a. find someone to 'team' up with, and b. learn to ride another bike. No way. They'd lose my entry if that happens.
Saturday afternoon is usually open, since most doing the trackday that are racing, have their bikes setup by then. If the race were to be a 2 hour event, it might work in the Sunday AM timeslot...
Sounds like schedules run a little different in the SW.
Consider the contingencies also. What do the vendors pay for a Team Challenge type of race.
Most of us would love to race a team race but to eliminate the GT races would prove to be a ecomomic loss for CCS, I would'nt even consider double, much less triple the entry fee for a 20-30 minute team race.
QuoteSounds like schedules run a little different in the SW.
I hope to make a MW race this summer, as things
shut down here for 2.5 months in the summer :(
Cool!
QuoteConsider the contingencies also.
I would'nt even consider double, much less triple the entry fee for a 20-30 minute team race.
Contingencies could be rearranged, I'm sure. If the race were several hours, and three guys teamed up, triple entry fees would equal the same price per rider, and each would get more seat time. This is essentially what CMRA does, and it works out great for them. I've raced several CMRA enduros over the past few years, and they are great fun. Contingencies and purses are paid, and each class has an endurance championship. Also remember that the number of bikes on the course would not equal the number of current entrys in the GT classes, because 3 riders would be sharing each bike.
Hey, the idea won't please everyone, but it HAS been very successful down in Texas.
QuoteI've raced several CMRA enduros over the past few years, and they are great fun. Contingencies and purses are paid, and each class has an endurance championship. Hey, the idea won't please everyone, but it HAS been very successful down in Texas.
If it works for CMRA, it would work for CCS! ;)
Contingencies could be rearranged, I'm sure. If the race were several hours, and three guys teamed up, triple entry fees would equal the same price per rider, and each would get more seat time. This is essentially what CMRA does, and it works out great for them. I've raced several CMRA enduros over the past few years, and they are great fun.
I'm game, if CCS could manange the time by only eliminating the GT races. ;D
What about us poor suckas that have no friends to team up with? Most of the time I am in this thing by myself so by eliminating the GT races you would lose riders as well. 2¢ 8)
Yup, and as well probably lose most/all of the 2-strokers.
Where'd they come up with CMRA? Central to what? I just went & checked the schedule to see if I could get in on one of those endurance races. How about the TASORA (Texas & Sometimes Oklahoma Roadracing Association)?
QuoteHow about the TASORA (Texas & Sometimes Oklahoma Roadracing Association)?
That's good! I like it! It does suck that they are so far from anywhere. You need a passport to get there! We've only raced at Hallett, but that is one wicked fun track, and those CMRA people are some friendly folk.
QuoteYup, and as well probably lose most/all of the 2-strokers.
I've seen 2-stroke guys swapping gas tanks instead of filling up. :o Makes for a really fast pit stop!
ccs had a team challenge a couple of years ago and it didnt turn out like it should have. so they got rid of it and the only way to get more time is to basically take of practice in the morning and that would just make more riders mad cause they may not want to run the team challenge
Heath
QuoteWhere'd they come up with CMRA? Central to what? I just went & checked the schedule to see if I could get in on one of those endurance races. How about the TASORA (Texas & Sometimes Oklahoma Roadracing Association)?
CMRA was once the Central Road Racing Club (CRRC) which brought us the likes of Freddie Spencer, Jamie James, Colin Edwards, Doug Polen and many other notable riders that have filtered into the AMA and world roadracing scene. They were also noted for their Endurance roadracing program and affiliation with WERA. In my experience with this club throughout the 1980's I can say it is a top notch organization and works hard to meet the needs of their riders, endurance racing being one of them. Most of my roadracing experience comes as an endurance rider, and I can tell you there is no substitute for seat time. As for the CCS developing an endurance series- I think that would be great, the key of course would be participation, requiring teams to commit to running the whole series. This is a very labor intensive, time consuming commitment if you want to be successful as a team. Are there enough people out there to make it work? The GT races are a happy medium in that you spend a bit more time on the track and the commitment isn't as big. So please... everyone give this serious thought before petitioning CCS to change a format that could effect many, benefiting few. If you truly are interested in testing the waters of endurance racing, run a CMRA or WERA event and see what you think. I'm sure you'll find it to be an enjoyable experience, but a lot of work as well.
ccs has this already, but only at FORMULA USA races
it is called the team challenge, 250 kilometers, 1 mandatory rider change
3 team classes and 1 solo class.
lots of fun