went through tech last weekend at jennings and tech told me i needed yellow plates and not green ???
just wondering why the sudden change of this.
should have been done at the start of the season.
I agree! Tech passed me at LVMS this weekend,
only to have the race director come by later in the afternoon to tell me my plates were not legal!!
Since I run both WERA and CCS, and rode this color last year in CCS with no issues, I had the bike re-painted the same... Now I have to change??
WTF???
Yup. I had that problem a number of years ago. Roger painted the bike and put a touch of neon in the yellow to brighten it up. We were told to redo the plates for the following event.
Use yellow, standard crayon yellow. No neon, no lemon, no buttercup. Yellow. ::) ;) ;D
I dunno I dont see the big deal I mean its either yellow or white, and neon yellow sure as hell aint white.
probably just who you got at Tech talking smack to ya
I was told in the past that neon-ish yellow was actually better,
oh well sanee thats what ya get ya sandbagger :) ;D ;D
QuoteI dunno I dont see the big deal I mean its either yellow or white, and neon yellow sure as hell aint white.
probably just who you got at Tech talking smack to ya
I was told in the past that neon-ish yellow was actually better,
oh well sanee thats what ya get ya sandbagger :) ;D ;D
Kinda like the problems I had at gateways tech shed. FOr 3 yrs the throttle on my F2 didnt 'snap' shut. It self closed, but not as fast as teh tech guy liked. COnsidering the rules just say "SELF CLOSING THROTTLE" and nothing about how fast it has to close, he still refused to let me through tech. I missed a practice session because I was dinking around with the throttle trying to get it looser. What we need is all tech inspections standardized throughout CCS regions. Even a friend was told his numbers were too close and they were exactly the same spacing as mine were.
Perhaps is you guys should smile sweetly and bat your eyelashes. Oh, throw in a wink too....
It could help! :o :-*
;D
QuoteI dunno I dont see the big deal I mean its either yellow or white, and neon yellow sure as hell aint white.
probably just who you got at Tech talking smack to ya
I was told in the past that neon-ish yellow was actually better,
oh well sanee thats what ya get ya sandbagger :) ;D ;D
thats what everybody said
its just two colors out there
they got everyone with neon out there
The problem could be that the scorers may have a more difficult time reading the numbers. If they can't read them, you will be asked to change them.
QuoteThe problem could be that the scorers may have a more difficult time reading the numbers. If they can't read them, you will be asked to change them.
Exactly.
QuoteThe problem could be that the scorers may have a more difficult time reading the numbers. If they can't read them, you will be asked to change them.
Don't forget about us corner workers. We have a tough time reading numbers as well. Especially if the numbers are made with black electrical tape instead of the pre-cut numbers. (sorry to whoever that was at summit this weekend...was the first example to come to mind)
It's simply a CCS preference/rule/determination. I know that WERA allows a greenish yellow, but CCS does not. It's just that simple.
Kinda like my competition # on my helmet. In CCS, I can have it on the chin bar. But if I went through a WERA race, they'd slap a tech sticker right over it and make me write my number elsewhere on the helmet...
Corner workers & scorers prefer consistency for ease of operation. Tech simply ensures they get this.
QuoteIt's simply a CCS preference/rule/determination. I know that WERA allows a greenish yellow, but CCS does not. It's just that simple.
The rule book does not state "no neon yellow". It clearly states "yellow" will be used by amatuers. Do you know how many shades of yellow there are in the color chart? :o
As far as comparing it to the number placement on the helmet, we are not even talking apples and apples with that one... ;)
wow , this is such a loaded list of problem's , but since i am on the other side of the fence after racing for 15 years I really get to see why to all your questions here.
1) tech is here to make sure everyone is safe and ready to ride we are not here to ruin your day are try to piss you off. everyweekend since i started this year I have found at least 5-10 racers who forgot to wire the drain plug, but yet i always get slack because we need the lowers removed so I can see the bolt is wired. ccs is some what consistant in tech, but some things get missed we are only human.
2) wera is more slack on the # thing because they are using transponders. all you who are complainng that you want to use outlined and fancy color back rounds etc. need to get a piece of paper and pen and step to the fence and try and score a rac e with 30 + bikes in it . I will bet you $ you can not do it.
and after you try you will understand that the scoring needs all to be the same so they do not have to lock in to read a bike to long or they will miss the next 2-3 bikes.
anytime you think you have a better idea or way things should be done feel free to let me know I will not be offended or laugh at you. I learn new things everyday.
my .02
Well, we use transponders too. The point of the color is because the scorers and cornerworkers feel that neons are too hard to see, especially on a very sunny day. I speak from experience, the neons are a pain when you're scoring. Neon yellow is not yellow. If it were, it wouldn't have the word "neon" preceeding it. Geez, guys, just use common sense. You all know by not what is and isn't cool.
Just for fun, why don't you guys volunteer to score for a few races a weekend so you can see how difficult it can be. Maybe then you'll understand.
tiffany i totally understand what you say
its just the fact that i was not told that
when i went to tech in the morning, he just told me that it was green ??? which i totally did not understand. i then told him that i was cleared at daytona and the previous jennings round. so he said to just get it done by my next event. i asked Henry Degouw about it and he said that if i passed tech at daytona (a national event) it should be fine but its whatever the tech guys want. (He even saw the bike and didnt say anything about it being green ;D) Then later on in the day couple ccs officials come over and tell me that i have to change it now or just not be scored if they miss my number. Then i tried to ask him why and reason with him till he totally pissed me off by stating "i really dont give a &*%% if you painted it pink" thats when i lost respect for him.
Just tell me that its for the scorers having difficulty and dont tell me its green
I agree. If it's stated clearly in the rule book, then we all understand it. Tech is confused, riders are confused, scorers are confused. Someone should have issued a notice; would have taken care of the whole mess. ;)
By the way WERA is not any more slack on any issues, in fact they are very to the point and accurate, as to what they're rule book allows and does not allow. :)
Would words like: "Shall be either 'schoolbus yellow' or 'safety yellow' fleet colors" help?
I think that means something pretty specific to me, and I think it does to paint vendors, sign vinyl, and Krylon-can labels.
FWIW, the blue on my bike is 'Traffic Blue'....
QuoteDo you know how many shades of yellow there are in the color chart?
what did you say?? "SHADES"?? there is only one yellow and it is called yellow. i was at jennings and there was a bike or two that the # plate did look green from a workers view.
Why are you running a green number plate anyway? ;D
I formulate radiation cureable printing inks and with that I match colors very often and there is thousands of differant shdes of yellow there is raw pigment called yellow that looks differant for example AAA is a red shade and MX is green/blue shade with a clean look. both of the are yellow and look totally differant. The only issue here is what is CCS going to let you have on your bike we know that the answer is not a flour-- if the scores and corner workers have a hard time with Flouressent plates just re-paint.
PS -flouresent yellow is not green it is a blue shade yellow flouresent green is green.
QuoteI formulate radiation cureable printing inks and with that I match colors very often and there is thousands of differant shdes of yellow there is raw pigment called yellow that looks differant for example AAA is a red shade and MX is green/blue shade with a clean look. both of the are yellow and look totally differant. The only issue here is what is CCS going to let you have on your bike we know that the answer is not a flour-- if the scores and corner workers have a hard time with Flouressent plates just re-paint.
PS -flouresent yellow is not green it is a blue shade yellow flouresent green is green.
???
I am totally confused now...lol
Tobias, you're scaring me a lil...
Re-painting this week... :(
I still do not understand why it works for WERA,
but not for CCS? They have cornerworkers and
scores as well. Are they more qualified?? ???
what if...
the cornerworkers had different yellow flags. Some would be a green-yellow...some were a red-yellow..but they're all still yellow...the riders would complain that there were different color yellow flags on the turns.
Quotewhat if...
the cornerworkers had different yellow flags. Some would be a green-yellow...some were a red-yellow..but they're all still yellow...the riders would complain that there were different color yellow flags on the turns.
that is not a very good comparison there
its not like experts are yellow and amatures are flouresent yellow.
Ggggeeeessshhhh! :o ;D
YELLOW, OK ???
Some of you should get a job with CRAYOLA the way you are picking this apart.
Bet you just can't wait to get the "WHITE" plate, then we can start again.... Is it "snow", or is it "off" or is it .... Maybe green?
I just think it's funny that a bunch of guys are arguing over shades of colors.
"But I like my fluorescent yellow! It makes my butt look smaller and goes much better with my race boots! School bus yellow just doesn't look as good!"
;D ;)
QuoteI just think it's funny that a bunch of guys are arguing over shades of colors.
"But I like my fluorescent yellow! It makes my butt look smaller and goes much better with my race boots! School bus yellow just doesn't look as good!"
;D ;)
Lucky I wasn't drinking milk when I read that! ;D Too funny!
Yellow is the color of my skin! Come see and and I'll show you my skin 8)
QuoteYellow is the color of my skin! Come see and and I'll show you my skin 8)
Are you jaundice? ;)
Nope.. I'm asian/pacific islander. Aren't we yellow? ???
QuoteAren't we yellow? ???
Only until you move up to the expert plate! ;D
BTW... Are you an expert now? ;)
QuoteOnly until you move up to the expert plate! ;D
BTW... Are you an expert now? ;)
Yeah.. decided my bike looked better with white plates :)
QuoteThe rule book does not state "no neon yellow". It clearly states "yellow" will be used by amatuers. Do you know how many shades of yellow there are in the color chart? :o
As far as comparing it to the number placement on the helmet, we are not even talking apples and apples with that one... ;)
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There are many shades of yellow in the color chart, if you go to Home Depot paint department- however, NEON is not a shade of yellow, even at the Depot. It boils down to this, if CCS or anyone elso had true consistency it would have to come from robots- the human factor would get in the way and robots are not feasible and since they come frm Japan, Buell owners would complain they were biased. As far as one tech guy this and that- most of the race officials are working for peanuts. I for one make three times as much money working a Sat/Sun at work and I don't have to get a wicked sunburn doing it. Also- word has it you were told by another long time SW racer that the neon would not fly before you painted your bike and youstill did it. I am not calling you out-just giving you some reality. If scoring cannot read you numbers, and your are scored in correctly, you have no leg to stand on and will be screwed unfortunately. If I spent all the hard earned money you guys do on this, I would make hella sure I was doing everything asked of me so as not to be spending in vain and risk DQ
You TELL 'EM Cory ;D!
I'm yellow too (API) but one of those other shades that the color chemist mentioned.
I was drinking a soda when I read Elaine's!!! Thanks!
QuoteIt boils down to this, if CCS or anyone elso had true consistency it would have to come from robots- the human factor would get in the way and robots are not feasible and since they come frm Japan, Buell owners would complain they were biased.
LOL!!!
Just make the standard yellow the same as the CCS forum smiley faces. ---> :)
This past weekend was my first weekend racing with CCS, and i had a great time. I think you guys do some stuff well and some stuff i do not understand. I want to thank everyone from CCS for putting together a great weekend. However i was one of the guys that had the forbidden number plates. The conversations regarding tech and how they are their for the saftey of everyone, well my experience with tech was so pleasant that it is scary. I went to tech without my leathers, boots, helmet or gloves with my belly pan on and passed. They said nothing about my number plates eventhough it they were neon. Not to mention other racing organizations but they would by no means allow any of this to go on except the number plates. The rule book for the others states prefered neon.
QuoteNope.. I'm asian/pacific islander. Aren't we yellow? ???
Really, you're yellow? :o ;) Does that mean if I'm caucasian, I'm white, like an expert plate? ;D Stupid color references to people. >:( People are people colored, who cares what shade it might be. :D
Oh yeah, and asian guys are HOT! ;)
Some Yellows are faster than the Whites.... Oh, but that's another thread! :o
Fraschizl- I talked to one of our tech guys this morning who believes you came up dressed to go to practice, let tech take a once over of you ( all of this after you had teched). Also, the bellypan may be on it the inspector can see the plug. Also- if you expect to have all your gear teched and belly pan off when you go to tech- why did you not briing the gear or have the belly off? BTW- you should probably take care of the neon plates. Bottom line is this. The rule book says yellow. There are many interpretations of yellow unfortunately. If your yellow is hard to read, you may have troubles if your transponder fails. You may not be scored and will be DFL in the results. Take your chances. I swear roadracers are the most spoiled of any I have any worked with. Motocross guys (who incidentally whine more) usually work with no calls due to no PA, tend to look around them to see what others are doing and like to ask the race director before they do something. Roadies seem to spend huge amounts of money sometimes only to find out it was a waste because they did not ask someoone in charge. BTW- someone in charge of most questions is not Tiff or Linda or anyone else on this board except for YOUR race director or referee. Tiff and Linda are way to busy with home office stuff and final acceptance of somoething usually rests with the Race Director (ala the rule book) This whole issue of neon plates could have been avoided if the racer in question sat and thouhgt, hey I am gonna spend $$ on this paint, and I think I will race WERA and CCS, I better check with them to see if this is cool, especially since I read the rule book and it said yellow and not neon. HMMM. Use common sense, take responsibility for your own actions and if in doubt ask. Any SW region can email me (my link is on here) and I will guarantee it will get answered by the correct person, and I guarantee timely response and hopefully racer satisfaction. Help us help you.
QuoteBTW- someone in charge of most questions is not Tiff or Linda or anyone else on this board except for YOUR race director or referee. Tiff and Linda are way to busy with home office stuff and final acceptance of somoething usually rests with the Race Director
Well, not exactly, but on 'at the track issues' such as number plates, yes, the final call rests with the race directors. 90% of race operations is work done in this office. I don't just answer phones.
QuoteAlso- word has it you were told by another long time SW racer that the neon would not fly before you painted your bike and youstill did it. I am not calling you out-just giving you some reality.
Cory, as I mentioned earlier, I rode a GSXR600 last season with the same color plates and not once, did someone say anything negative about it. Whoever has told you I knew before painting this new bike, is a flat out liar. Besides, why is WERA OK and CCS not?
I have repainted to avoid further comments or complaints, but please consider the source when being told something as outlandlish as "I knew better" by a longtime racer... ;)
I have faith in the CCS organization and promote them every where I go, but this whole issue made no sense to me to begin with! ???
Alright the secret is out. I was the one in tech over the weekend and I was probably the one who allowed a NEON plate to go through tech. Don't ask me how it happen, it just did. Maybe I am color blind. ;D I was only doing the best that I could to make sure everyone was safe and compliant and out on the track in a timely manner. If you looked at the NEON plate just by itself it was pretty bright. Sitting next to 30 other bikes w/ yellow plates it looked totally out of place and wrong and that is why it was brought up. I am glad it has been changed and I am glad we can now move on. Thanks to all the racers and family and friends that came out to the races. It was a great weekend!!!!! Please let the NEON plate issue alone so I can go back to my corner and hide out again ;D See you in Phx!
QuoteIf your yellow is hard to read, you may have troubles if your transponder fails. You may not be scored and will be DFL in the results. Take your chances.
Scoring is not the only reason that the numbers need to be
easily legible. You have cornerwokers, control and various other officials who need to be able to read a number at any given time. I had quite a few riders that got by me coming off of the track last season because cornerworkers didn't get the numbers right. I am also calling in the numbers of bikes coming off the track during a race so that we can note the DNF's.
Up at Loudon, we have the Head Scorer at Friday evening tech to make the decisions on the plates and numbers. As stated in the previous post, it's hard to make a decision on a bike sitting in tech. So we have initiated a new policy up at Loudon. Instead of trying to come out with a specific wording in the rulebook as to what is acceptable, whenever it is determined that a bike's numbers cannot be easily read by any cornerworker or official or scorer while the bike is on the track, I will get a radio call telling me to stop them on their way into the paddock, and I will tell them to fix the numbers and/or plates, no arguments.
QuoteOh yeah, and asian guys are HOT! ;)
Asian men hava smaaaall penis. You American men hava such Large penis! We Asian men could not cause you trouble with sucha smaaaall penis!
Sorry! Big South Park fan. I just couldn't resist! ;)
When I was an ametuer, I always painted my number plates the same shade of yellow that matched yellow duct tape. That way it was easier to hide my crash damage. I even painted the rest of the bike duct tape grey one year. ;D
once again I repeat if you would just get white plates Sanee, you wouldn't even have this problem :)
ya BAGGER :) :P :P :P
unless you went and painted your "white" plates like egg shell, or cream, or off-white, or something... ;D
Quoteonce again I repeat if you would just get white plates Sanee, you wouldn't even have this problem :)
ya BAGGER :) :P :P :P
unless you went and painted your "white" plates like egg shell, or cream, or off-white, or something... ;D
i agree., damn sandbagger...