ALWAYS PICKING ON THE LITTLE PEOPLE! Everyone other track has the same pricing for pre and post entrees. Why not Road America? Its the little people like me who can't afford to pre enter that are getting the short end of the stick! I can understand Road America being more expensive but it makes no cents to me people like me have to make up the difference! While the sponcered riders with there trucks loads of bikes who have pre entered the entire season get the better pricing on races! There's noway I'm make the trip just to run 3 races for what it cost to run 6 at any other track. Sorry, I'll see you all at Blackhawk.
Jeff
Well tell us how you REALLY feel. :D
3 races cost as much as 6 elsewhere? Well maybe cost as much as 4 races elsewhere. RA is one of those event you SHOULD pre-register for (because of the difference in pricing with pre-reg and at the track reg). Thats the ONLY event I do pre-register for. Every other one at teh track.
I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but your arguement is going to fall on deaf ears here on this website. Pre-entry vs. post -entry issues come up multiple times each season (generally by amateurs) and it usually ends the same way, I will explain why.
Pre-entry does not cost you any more than post-entry (at regular events) and it speeds up registration at the track for everyone (staff and participants alike). Pre-entry is due at the latest 2 weeks before the event you will be racing at, and is able to be cancelled all the way up to just before the days events begin, so loss of your entry fees is not a good arguement if you cannot attend for some reason. I usually pre-enter for a given event 2 to 4 weeks ahead and consider my due date for each events entry by the 2 week deadline for pre-entry, this is not difficult and makes registration at the track a much easier process. I personally look at the cost difference as a thank you by CCS to anyone who was willing to take a chance on the event no matter what, just as CCS has with their non-refundable rental of the track - no matter how many or few racers attend. If someone makes the choice not to pre-enter an event then they should just grin and bear it and know better for next time, in fact the Race of Champions is the same way with costs.
So as a friendly word of advice, if you try and argue this topic here, most likely your going to have it backfire on you pretty bad. :-/
No arguing here! I'm not attenting. Yes, I know all about pre entering. If you read my post you'd know that I CAN'T AFFORD TOO. I'm simply saying that the price should be the same for those with money and for those who don't have money. A set of tires and entree fees for 3 races at a regular race is more than I make in a week. I think its the lack of race fans that drives cost up for racers. Imagine if we had 500 fans it each race times $25 gate fees. I'm sorry for barking, I'm just going though the some pre season depression because I know yet another year of my life is wasted trying to race a bike with bent forks, stock suspension, starving every week, working all the overtime I can, all just to try to live out a dream. A dream that quickly fading as I age. Six years I've been trying to get some where in the racing world and every year its something. And for a for like myself all it takes is a blown motor too put me out for the season(which happened in 98").
QuoteNo arguing here! I'm not attenting. Yes, I know all about pre entering. If you read my post you'd know that I CAN'T AFFORD TOO. I'm simply saying that the price should be the same for those with money and for those who don't have money.
I am somewhat confused about the money thing since it doesn't cost you anymore to pre-enter? All you have to do is pre-enter your 1st event, then you pre-enter from that point on for all the races you go to, it doesn't cost you a dime more, it just changes the time you pay for the race to 2 weeks before the event.
Quote... I'm just going though the some pre season depression because I know yet another year of my life is wasted trying to race a bike with bent forks, stock suspension, starving every week, working all the overtime I can, all just to try to live out a dream...
I feel your pain...
I have thought about a 2nd job to buy tires...
Pimping myself on the exit ramps (will race for food)
Fact of the matter is, this is club racing, fans don't not care.
Hell AMA doesn't even draw in that big of a crowd.
If you want this to change, act on in.
People watch Nascrap because of the drivers, not the (dare I say) the sport of it.
If you want people to come to the track, Promote yourself, promote your sport. In the end CCS makes money running races, not selling tickets.
As far as age... Hell I started when I was 30.
We should all be out there selling this sport to people. If I get only 25% of the people to show up that say they are going to be at Gateway, I will have about 20-30 people there to watch us. Why haven't I met another racer? I have never met anyone out away from the track that was into this. Are racers that rare, or are we not doing enough for our own sport? I may be new to this and just really excited, but I am out trying to hype up as many people as I can.
QuoteWe should all be out there selling this sport to people. If I get only 25% of the people to show up that say they are going to be at Gateway, I will have about 20-30 people there to watch us. Why haven't I met another racer? I have never met anyone out away from the track that was into this. Are racers that rare, or are we not doing enough for our own sport? I may be new to this and just really excited, but I am out trying to hype up as many people as I can.
I argued gate fee costs to death when they were raising them last time from $10 to $15 for a 1 day pass for spectators. My arguement was that I have people ask me about going to watch a race quite often (this winter has had an excessive amount of these inquiries to me) and as soon as I tell them it's $15 to spectate, most lose interest and won't be attending. One example is a guy I work with who wanted to come to all the BHF events with his son (potential future racer) and at the 1st event bring his wife and both kids to watch me race, but at $60 to spectate for a single income family, that's outragous! He was thinking it would be more along the lines of about $8 a head, which I think is a good price, if there truely was a desire to bring any spectators. This guy doesn't have a motorcycle and just wanted to watch, but now he's going to skip most of it and maybe come to 1 of my races with his son only.
Sad that gate fees are the only thing turning the people I have met away from spectating our events. :-/
I have the same problem with getting people out the the track. Plus most of the people I know have stuff going on sundays so they want to come watch on saturday when the gate fee is $25. That is more than it cost to RACE motocross! Its hard enough to talk people into driving a couple hours but then when you mention gate fees the battle is losted.
Jeff
My buddy John made a good point. He said people pay a lot more to go to a baseball game and then I realised racing is all day and a baseball game is only 3 hours. maybe people just have a hard time commiting a whole day?
Jeff
Gates fees is a subject that has been beaten beyond all recognition. I have the ability to get friends into the track for free, and you know what? They STILL don't come!
And Jeff, if there's any logic in your argument concerning pre-entering, I sure as hell can't find it.
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Quoteor are we not doing enough for our own sport? I may be new to this and just really excited, but I am out trying to hype up as many people as I can.
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Ok, so how many press releases have you guys put out after your races?
Any displays?
NASCRAP teams have cars that travel specifically for display purposes.
How about uniforms?
Anyone have a recognizable team name?
Got stickers on your bike that represent things that you buy or actual sponsors?
Racing can be what you make it yourself. Promotion. That's the key. Money? Bet everyone makes more than I do.
Road America cost substantially more to rent, like Daytona. People want to race there, so it's on the schedule, but it just has to cost more.
It is an all day affair, and it's boring. I'm a racer, and I'm tired of waiting all day to race.
The sanctioning body can only do so much with what's available there. They are supplying the venue, it's up to the racers (teams) to supply the entertainment.
QuoteThe sanctioning body can only do so much with what's available there. They are supplying the venue, it's up to the racers (teams) to supply the entertainment.
Hope this doesn't mean you are going to be in a bikini on the grid again :P
(although it was entertaining ;D )
QuoteHope this doesn't mean you are going to be in a bikini on the grid again :P
(although it was entertaining ;D )
No, with this weather a red one piece is more my style...
8)
Not that i wanted to bring it up again but my point is simple. If Road America is so expensive then raise the price for everyone INSTEAD of just JACKING the price on people who can't afford to pre enter because they have all of they're money tied up trying to get there bike race readdy.
QuoteAnd Jeff, if there's any logic in your argument concerning pre-entering, I sure as hell can't find it.
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They DO raise the price for everyone. Pre-entry at RA is more expensive than anywhere else.
QuoteIf Road America is so expensive then raise the price for everyone INSTEAD of just JACKING the price on people who can't afford to pre enter because they have all of they're money tied up trying to get there bike race readdy.
Like Kim said, she gets it, Road America is expensive for everyone.
So it Daytona.
So is prepping a bike.
Actually racing is exensive.
Yup, that's the truth. Racing, anything, really, is very expensive. Some people that do this make $160k a year, and they spend all of it on racing. Yet they don't go faster than me and my $12k income.
So, you need to decide what you're gonna be...a racer or not. Teams that are able to "buy their entries for the year" are blessed. Or they have worked and sacrificed to get to that point.
If you've got problems prepping the bike you've got, get a nice 125 GP bike that doesn't cost so much. Everyone sees this whole program as expensive. It certainly isn't going to get cheaper.
Quote Racing, anything, really, is very expensive.
No kidding. I was dropping big coin on RC pan cars years ago. ;D ;D