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Title: Are there new number plate rules, CCS?
Post by: Super Dave on October 02, 2008, 09:37:11 AM
Seems like there are a lot more opportunities in number plates this year.

Can we use a single rear number mounted across the tail?  Are we required to have a number plate border? 

Title: Re: I must have missed the memo, rear number plates?
Post by: HAWK on October 02, 2008, 10:42:46 AM
Dave, you're on a buell, just tell them it fell off.   :thumb:
Title: Re: I must have missed the memo, rear number plates?
Post by: tzracer on October 02, 2008, 10:44:26 AM
Quote from: HAWK on October 02, 2008, 10:42:46 AM
Dave, you're on a buell, just tell them it vibrated off.   :thumb:

Fixed it for ya.
Title: Re: I must have missed the memo, rear number plates?
Post by: Super Dave on October 02, 2008, 11:01:00 AM
LOL!

Hey, yeah, I'm on a Buell.  Looking to loose weight, and two sets of numbers are lighter.   :biggrin:

Honestly, I thought this topic was covered and done, but there were some racing this weekend with a single rear number.  I like the look.  So, is it legal, and I haven't been told?
Title: Re: I must have missed the memo, rear number plates?
Post by: truckstop on October 02, 2008, 11:57:21 AM
I'm not down with the single rear number even though it "looks nice". After trying to remember and read numbers instead of calling out a name this weekend, it really sunk in why *READABILITY* is super important with number plates. Not to sound like a know-it-all after one whole weekend of cornerworking, but there's a difference between what looks nice, and what's easy to read. I can see the Yamaha tail being a challenge, but you've got tons of real estate on the Buell tail Dave... especially with only two digits.

There were a couple bikes out there this weekend, that were really pretty bikes, with really nice, beautifully done numbers, but are actually really hard to read. (Including the bike in question) Y'all better hope I never work up to being a tech person.  :lmao:
Title: Re: I must have missed the memo, rear number plates?
Post by: Xian_13 on October 02, 2008, 01:10:16 PM
ACK!

You tech?
I would never get my sticker... would I?


XIII
Title: Re: I must have missed the memo, rear number plates?
Post by: Super Dave on October 02, 2008, 01:45:05 PM
Quote from: truckstop on October 02, 2008, 11:57:21 AM
There were a couple bikes out there this weekend, that were really pretty bikes, with really nice, beautifully done numbers, but are actually really hard to read. (Including the bike in question) Y'all better hope I never work up to being a tech person.
Well, I guess that's my question for CCS:  have the number plate rules changed?  It is obvious that at Blackhawk,we've seen single rear number plates now in CCS racing going through tech and race, and we've seen bikes with no number plate go through tech and race too (only an outline around the number in the required number plate color).
Title: Re: I must have missed the memo, rear number plates?
Post by: Woofentino Pugrossi on October 02, 2008, 01:46:38 PM
Must have 2 rear plates. No border required though. See many white (or yellow) bikes without borders.
Title: Re: I must have missed the memo, rear number plates?
Post by: Super Dave on October 02, 2008, 01:54:32 PM
Quote from: Woofentino Pugrossi on October 02, 2008, 01:46:38 PM
Must have 2 rear plates. No border required though.
Understood, but there was certainly one bike through tech and on track with one number on the rear. 

Again, I like the look, but is this opportunity now available to me in the rules?


Quote from: Woofentino Pugrossi on October 02, 2008, 01:46:38 PMSee many white (or yellow) bikes without borders.
Understood, but my specific example was from August with a black bike.  No plate area on front.  Only black numbers with maybe a 1/4" white outline. 

Similarly, it looked cool, but do the new number plate rules allow me this opportunity?
Title: Re: Are there new number plate rules, CCS?
Post by: backMARKr on October 02, 2008, 02:14:11 PM
Quote from: Woofentino Pugrossi on October 02, 2008, 01:46:38 PM
No border required though. See many white (or yellow) bikes without borders.

Yes...however...number plates look soooo much nicer painted with borders and several layers of clearcoat.. :biggrin:
Title: Re: Are there new number plate rules, CCS?
Post by: Woofentino Pugrossi on October 02, 2008, 02:29:21 PM
Quote from: Super Dave on October 02, 2008, 01:54:32 PM
Understood, but there was certainly one bike through tech and on track with one number on the rear. 

Again, I like the look, but is this opportunity now available to me in the rules?

Understood, but my specific example was from August with a black bike.  No plate area on front.  Only black numbers with maybe a 1/4" white outline. 

Similarly, it looked cool, but do the new number plate rules allow me this opportunity?

The one that got through with the AMA style number plate ended up putting 2 on later. The Buell also had to redo his. Honestly those two shouldnt had even passed tech, but I'll guess which 'tech guy' they probably had.

Quote from: backMARKr on October 02, 2008, 02:14:11 PM
Yes...however...number plates look soooo much nicer painted with borders and several layers of clearcoat.. :biggrin:

Yep. :biggrin:


Title: Re: Are there new number plate rules, CCS?
Post by: Super Dave on October 02, 2008, 02:35:28 PM
Quote from: Woofentino Pugrossi on October 02, 2008, 02:29:21 PM
The one that got through with the AMA style number plate ended up putting 2 on later. The Buell also had to redo his. Honestly those two shouldnt had even passed tech, but I'll guess which 'tech guy' they probably had.
Define later.

Both raced in this configuration, period.  This wasn't just practice. 

Again, if something has changed, would someone post on this?

Title: Re: Are there new number plate rules, CCS?
Post by: Woofentino Pugrossi on October 02, 2008, 02:54:25 PM
Quote from: Super Dave on October 02, 2008, 02:35:28 PM
Define later.

Both raced in this configuration, period.  This wasn't just practice. 

Again, if something has changed, would someone post on this?



We seen the green bike with dual plates on the next day (should had been done before the races sat). The black one looked liek they put white tape on for sunday also (again should had been done sat).

THing is, the tech isnt consistant with teching bikes. The tech guy in question wouldnt let a freind of mine pass until he spaced his numbers out farther (they already were 1/4" apart and 3 digits) but let someone else through with numbers nearly touching. His were spaced just like mine, but he wouldnt pass his because he knew who the previous owner of my friends bike was and has some grudge against it. I've seen him just look at the paperwork and stick a CCS tech sticker on some peoples bikes without as much as looking at it.
Title: Re: Are there new number plate rules, CCS?
Post by: CCS on October 02, 2008, 04:03:23 PM
The rule calls for three number plates, it has not changed.

If you'll tell me who the tech was I'll fix it so it doen't happen again, the one rear plate and the harassment.

The only race we allowed the single plate at was the AMA race we worked at Mid-Ohio in September. End of discussion.

Thank you for your support of CCS racing.

Title: Re: Are there new number plate rules, CCS?
Post by: Super Dave on October 02, 2008, 04:23:15 PM
Thanks for the straight shooting on that, Kevin.  Will make designing paint next year easy then.


Oh, and if you can leave the number of Midwest events at the number we had in 2008 or one less, that would be cool. 

Hoping for the economy to turn around so you can have a good year. :cheers:
Title: Re: Are there new number plate rules, CCS?
Post by: Burt Munro on October 02, 2008, 04:42:35 PM
FWIW, I was the Starter for the combined event at Mid-Ohio and saw quite a few different number plate arrangements from the various race organizations.   

The layout that was the easiest to read had the number on the side of the fairing, just below the tank.  The number plate was outlined and spaced to clearly define the area from any other logo's that might make it confusing.

My impression was that it would be very easy to read the number plate if the bike was tipped in thru a corner and you were on the outside of a corner.  Now if you were on the inside of a corner it would probably be a different story with a bike leaned way over.  In that case it should be easier to see a number on the tail section.  How about this....... 4 number plates - front, both sides below the tank and 1 across the tail????

And FYI....... Since I'm never one to stir up any poo-poo  :ass:  ........ I didn't work Tech at BFR last weekend!!!!
Title: Re: Are there new number plate rules, CCS?
Post by: Woofentino Pugrossi on October 03, 2008, 01:12:30 AM
Kevin that happened to my friend back in 2000. I havent took a bike thru tech since 2004. When I get back racing I'm gonna try to have Rick tech mine. At least I can bribe him with a lemon pie. :biggrin:
Title: Re: Are there new number plate rules, CCS?
Post by: P_M on October 03, 2008, 03:12:26 PM
If the black bike was a Buell, it was a MotoST bike.  Until recently (the last two races I think) you only had to have a 1" outline in the proper color instead of a full plate.  I know several teams that really liked the look and were going to it when it seems that tech changed their minds and a few of the bikes had to have a hasty re-number job done.

It's not a problem with a good set of contrasting colors it's a really nice effect.. But when the colors are similar (a dark blue totally obscures the numbers or a very light bike makes the background seem in certain conditions you can't tell what color the 'plate' is).

Ok, that's my two cents worth...
Title: Re: Are there new number plate rules, CCS?
Post by: Super Dave on October 04, 2008, 08:17:27 AM
I like the look too, but that won't allow me to get through CCS tech.
Title: Re: Are there new number plate rules, CCS?
Post by: cold on October 04, 2008, 02:05:48 PM
that bastard 119ex got through with one number one the tail last blackhawk :wtf:
Title: Re: Are there new number plate rules, CCS?
Post by: crimsoncloak on October 05, 2008, 11:58:41 AM
So if I have a yellow bike, that counts as a amateur plate background right?  I did put a nice black outline in there to so it is sorta number plate-y.  And my numbers are huge and black.
Title: Re: Are there new number plate rules, CCS?
Post by: Super Dave on October 05, 2008, 02:20:38 PM
Quote from: crimsoncloak on October 05, 2008, 11:58:41 AM
So if I have a yellow bike, that counts as a amateur plate background right?  I did put a nice black outline in there to so it is sorta number plate-y.  And my numbers are huge and black.
Yeah, that's been acceptable. 
Title: Re: Are there new number plate rules, CCS?
Post by: kl3640 on December 10, 2008, 12:41:14 PM
I believe that the single rear # plate is optional and acceptable only in CCS FL, but I might be mistaken about that.

Regarding yellow bikes, I've seen many standard yellow bikes with just numbers on them.  My bike is white and it just has numbers on it.  Just be careful that if you're going to paint the entire bike yellow, you use a (click the following link) proper yellow (https://www.ccsforum.com/index.php?topic=19748.15).  I don't think that, if the entire bike is some sort of different yellow that's very far from standard, it will meet the intent of the rulebook.