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Title: The June and July dates for the MW
Post by: kevinhuff on January 26, 2011, 01:22:44 AM
Does anyone know whats going on with the June and July  MW TBA dates they are not on the schedule any more?
Title: Re: The June and July dates for the MW
Post by: gixxer188 on January 26, 2011, 11:47:45 AM
Looks to me like they are still there, they still say TBA but still there.
Title: Re: The June and July dates for the MW
Post by: twilkinson3 on January 26, 2011, 02:44:53 PM
I'll own up to being interested in even a tiny bit of the story on those - they are off the main calendar but on the MW specific one...even a "we expect to have definitive news by....." would help - trying to plan out the rounds and track days (girly friend rides those...) for the summer and that is making it a bit difficult
Title: Re: The June and July dates for the MW
Post by: Noidly1 on January 26, 2011, 05:29:58 PM
July should be RA.

Title: Re: The June and July dates for the MW
Post by: motomaniac on January 26, 2011, 06:47:32 PM
Quote from: Noidly1 on January 26, 2011, 05:29:58 PM
July should be RA.



Should is the key.. No asra listed either.  I think it's game over.  Hope I'm wrong, but it's not looking good :(
Title: Re: The June and July dates for the MW
Post by: Boober on January 27, 2011, 12:47:10 AM
I heard no road america this year at all.  Trying to get grattan that weekend.
Title: Re: The June and July dates for the MW
Post by: kevinhuff on January 27, 2011, 12:54:03 AM
Called CCS they said they were still working things out with RA hopefully it all works out
Title: Re: The June and July dates for the MW
Post by: G-reg on January 27, 2011, 11:01:24 AM
On the RA site they've got the Skip Barber school down for July 2-3, and the Skip Barber site is taking reservations for that weekend at RA..  The June date is the same as the AHRMA weekend at RA, maybe they're trying to combine it with them?
Title: Re: The June and July dates for the MW
Post by: motomaniac on January 27, 2011, 11:13:07 AM
Would be nice to give us an updated tentative schedule so we can try and get vaction time planned at work.. waiting too long and I won't be there because I won't be able to get the time off.  Thats just me though.
Title: Re: The June and July dates for the MW
Post by: twilkinson3 on January 27, 2011, 04:39:52 PM
Well that's confirmed - both Skip Barber and RA have the July 2nd weekend listed as cars anf a MX series etc

groan.....
Title: Re: The June and July dates for the MW
Post by: Fast Eddy on January 28, 2011, 11:09:55 AM
Quote from: twilkinson3 on January 27, 2011, 04:39:52 PM
Well that's confirmed - both Skip Barber and RA have the July 2nd weekend listed as cars anf a MX series etc

groan.....
Booooo
Title: Re: The June and July dates for the MW
Post by: funsizeracing on January 28, 2011, 05:32:54 PM
Disappointing for sure. :wah: Looks like the only CCS round I'll be making is at HPT this year.
Title: Re: The June and July dates for the MW
Post by: Farmboy on January 28, 2011, 06:04:00 PM
 Oooh. Grattan would be awesome. My fingers are crossed.

Quote from: funsizeracing on January 28, 2011, 05:32:54 PM
Disappointing for sure. :wah: Looks like the only CCS round I'll be making is at HPT this year.

What do you have against BHF, Becky Bo Bop?
Title: Re: The June and July dates for the MW
Post by: Andi on January 29, 2011, 06:20:34 AM
Quote from: funsizeracing on January 28, 2011, 05:32:54 PM
Disappointing for sure. :wah: Looks like the only CCS round I'll be making is at HPT this year.
+1
Title: Re: The June and July dates for the MW
Post by: jigs on January 29, 2011, 11:54:33 AM
Yup and STT took the following weekend 9-10.....prolly no R.A. this year....$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Title: Re: The June and July dates for the MW
Post by: genosr1 on January 30, 2011, 12:20:49 AM
wish i would have never renewed my lisence, ccs is turning into a bad joke
Title: Re: The June and July dates for the MW
Post by: Andi on January 30, 2011, 12:22:30 AM
Quote from: genosr1 on January 30, 2011, 12:20:49 AM
wish i would have never renewed my lisence, ccs is turning into a bad joke
I decided to wait to renew mine. Looking like it was a worthy decision. A weekend license will be a great investment.
Title: Re: The June and July dates for the MW
Post by: SV88 on January 30, 2011, 11:09:39 AM
Not real happy about potentially losing RA (particularly since it's the only track I've won races!) however I would argue that it's not a great track for bikes.  Much prefer tighter, more interesting tracks like VIR, Mid-O, Topeka and Barber.

I can appreciate the financial side.  If Kevin cannot break even at the price they are quoting, he doesn't have much choice.  If it's replaced by Gingerman or Grattan, I'll feel that we haven't lost too much...
Title: Re: The June and July dates for the MW
Post by: kevinhuff on January 31, 2011, 11:23:11 AM
I went to the Skip Barber web page and it said the racing school was July 4-7 so I called them and they confirmed it so maybe theres still some hope
Title: Re: The June and July dates for the MW
Post by: funsizeracing on January 31, 2011, 04:09:50 PM
Quote from: Farmboy on January 28, 2011, 06:04:00 PM
Oooh. Grattan would be awesome. My fingers are crossed.

What do you have against BHF, Becky Bo Bop?

Nothing really, other than the fact that it's 8 hrs away.  Guess I'll have to make one sooner or later if I want to get schooled by all you midwest guys   :thumb:
Title: Re: The June and July dates for the MW
Post by: Farmboy on January 31, 2011, 05:20:00 PM
Quote from: genosr1 on January 30, 2011, 12:20:49 AM
wish i would have never renewed my lisence, ccs is turning into a bad joke

Quote from: Andi on January 30, 2011, 12:22:30 AM
I decided to wait to renew mine. Looking like it was a worthy decision. A weekend license will be a great investment.

Not looking to step on toes or be cavalier with anyone's wallet, but a big part of the CCS initial operating budget each year comes from license renewal fees. If Kevin has more money now to negotiate track contracts, it will be far easier to do so. I think that as the main consumers of this organization's product, it behooves us greatly to lend our full financial support, as early and often as reasonably possible. Personally, I'd renew now even if I didn't think I'd race at all this year, because I want CCS to still be here when I did decide to race again. This was my situation last year; I only raced one weekend, but if that early license renewal helped the organization in any way it was money well spent.
Title: Re: The June and July dates for the MW
Post by: Farmboy on January 31, 2011, 05:40:42 PM
Also, I'm sure that CCS uses the # of licensed racers in any given region as a factor in determining probable event attendance within that region. Why, if you only had X racers registered in the Midwest, and it took Y racers to make RA profitable, or even break-even, and X + A < Y (with the variable A being the unknown number of as-yet licensed and out-of region racers) is the most likely equation as predicated by the known number X, would you knowingly book a track when you knew up front that it would ultimately be far less stressful, and probably cheaper, to just shovel 100 dollar bills into a roaring bonfire?

CCS is a business. These are hard times for everyone, but if we want CCS to survive, we need to do our part. Renew your license, do whatever races you can afford, recruit a trackday rider, etc. But we can't expect CCS to last when we start pulling the plug on the season before it even starts.
Title: Re: The June and July dates for the MW
Post by: Andi on January 31, 2011, 09:05:06 PM
From what I know negotiations for track time is done well before any licenses are issued.
Title: Re: The June and July dates for the MW
Post by: Farmboy on January 31, 2011, 11:21:07 PM
Quote from: Andi on January 31, 2011, 09:05:06 PM
From what I know negotiations for track time is done well before any licenses are issued.

Well, obviously not in the MW region as there are still 2 TBAs on the schedule. From what I know, CCS still did OK in the East and South last year. GP didn't make it this year and MW is struggling. Looking at CCS as an essentially regional business with some overlap from adjoining regions, it's simple to see the outcome. Those TBAs are there partly because of simple projections based on last year's MW numbers (Including the total # of licensed racers in the region). Less initial regional license revenue certainly won't help this season, and might have a decidedly negative impact on the projections for next year.
Title: Re: The June and July dates for the MW
Post by: spyderchick on February 01, 2011, 08:36:56 AM
Jim, stop talking sense and using math to show your work.  :err:  :biggrin:
Title: Re: The June and July dates for the MW
Post by: twilkinson3 on February 01, 2011, 02:49:33 PM
Love the pun Alexa - still depressing tho....BFR is fun and all but RA is a welcome change to break up the monotony - oh and it'll probably work out that way cause dang it I HAVE a sv superbike finally this year.....grumble grumble (grin)
Title: Re: The June and July dates for the MW
Post by: TrophyGal on February 05, 2011, 11:34:35 AM
As the webmistress for the CCS website, I have asked Kevin at least once a week about these 2 races.  I was really hoping to make an announcement this past week .. but .. he said the tracks still haven't confirmed with him and he would let me know as soon as they do.

He attends at least one race weekend per track each year and tries to firm up dates for the following year while he's there and can talk face-to-face with track personnel.  I know he has been working on this year's schedule since last year.

So - don't blame him - blame the track head honchos!
Title: Re: The June and July dates for the MW
Post by: motomaniac on February 06, 2011, 10:04:51 AM
Thank you so much for the update!!  Anything helps the pain....lol
Title: Re: The June and July dates for the MW
Post by: TommyG on February 06, 2011, 05:01:44 PM
Quote from: genosr1 on January 30, 2011, 12:20:49 AM
wish i would have never renewed my lisence, ccs is turning into a bad joke
If you are serious Kevin has an excellent refund policy just for off season internet assholes. This is how it works....a. CALL HIM  b. Say " I am not racing with your organization this year, can I get a refund?"   c. you get your money back        HOPE THIS HELPS!
Title: Re: The June and July dates for the MW
Post by: Tornado Bait on February 06, 2011, 08:54:12 PM
I'd be down for a Grattan round to replace July 2-3 weekend at RA!!  The July weekend is typically a twin sprint event.  Any hint whether or not that is still the plan at an alternate venue?
Title: Re: The June and July dates for the MW
Post by: Sobottka on February 09, 2011, 07:25:31 PM
Quote from: TommyG on February 06, 2011, 05:01:44 PM
If you are serious Kevin has an excellent refund policy just for off season internet assholes. This is how it works....a. CALL HIM  b. Say " I am not racing with your organization this year, can I get a refund?"   c. you get your money back        HOPE THIS HELPS!
:lmao:
This is why we love you TommyG!!! LOL!!!
Title: Re: The June and July dates for the MW
Post by: motomaniac on February 13, 2011, 09:55:12 PM
So... Is the schedule that is hidden at the back of the new rule book for real?  No RA, but instead grattan and gingerman..
Title: Re: The June and July dates for the MW
Post by: Nicky310 on February 13, 2011, 10:31:28 PM
the CCS rulebook shows races at Grattan on July 2-3, but both Grattan's schedule and Sportbike Track Time's schedule have STT there on July 2-3.

Thee CCS schedule would therefor seem to still be a work in progress?
Title: Re: The June and July dates for the MW
Post by: motomaniac on February 14, 2011, 01:04:36 AM
Ahh jeez...I'll crawl back in my hole.
Title: Re: The June and July dates for the MW
Post by: Burt Munro on February 14, 2011, 01:44:01 AM
How about a STT Track day on Saturday and CCS racing on Sunday????
Title: Re: The June and July dates for the MW
Post by: motomaniac on February 14, 2011, 09:36:39 AM
Quote from: Burt Munro on February 14, 2011, 01:44:01 AM
How about a STT Track day on Saturday and CCS racing on Sunday????

I think I'd still be in. I took my vacation for RA.. Might as well use it for some racing still.. Although it'll cost a bit more in fuel, 4 tanks more!
Title: Re: The June and July dates for the MW
Post by: MegRyan on February 14, 2011, 03:12:56 PM
Well I was just informed that the back up events fell through but that we should have answers really soon.
Title: Re: The June and July dates for the MW
Post by: Tornado Bait on February 14, 2011, 04:59:05 PM
Quote from: MegRyan on February 14, 2011, 03:12:56 PM
Well I was just informed that the back up events fell through but that we should have answers really soon.
poopy
Title: Re: The June and July dates for the MW
Post by: twilkinson3 on February 15, 2011, 05:48:08 PM
At this point I'm betting on a light MW racing year...
Title: Re: The June and July dates for the MW
Post by: SV88 on February 15, 2011, 06:52:09 PM
It's not all bad.  We have the dates so when it comes to planning for vacation...If the MW season is light and I can afford more, I'll probably race a WERA round or two and the AMA road racing grand national @ MidO.
Title: Re: The June and July dates for the MW
Post by: gkotlin on February 17, 2011, 12:49:24 AM
So..... Since the website, doesn't have the tentative dates, is the schedule complete?
http://www.ccsracing.us/schedules/2011/mwschedule.html
Title: Re: The June and July dates for the MW
Post by: Greeny on February 17, 2011, 04:02:03 AM
it's on the main page...  the midwest is basically the blackhawk series now.  yay. 
Title: Re: The June and July dates for the MW
Post by: SV88 on February 17, 2011, 11:01:04 AM
This is bad news.  I'm thinking that CCS MW may be on it's way out.  There is no question that the MW has really suffered during this recession.  I will be @ the BHF rounds ,may try to make Heartland and will be augmenting the season with the occasional WERA (Grattan 7/8-10) race, some hare scrambles, enduros and gps.
I will miss racing @ RA on the R6.
Title: Re: The June and July dates for the MW
Post by: Knightslugger on February 17, 2011, 01:31:04 PM
well, i guess Louden has their Road Racing Series... I guess Blackhawk Farms will just have to have theirs as well...
Title: Re: The June and July dates for the MW
Post by: Sobottka on February 17, 2011, 04:40:16 PM
...... I can't believe there's only 5 races  :wah:
Title: Re: The June and July dates for the MW
Post by: jigs on February 17, 2011, 06:09:45 PM
Better then none....otherwise we'd be terrorizing tho poor track day orgs and they'd be getting bitched at....eesshhh!!
So Robbie...maybe I will do HTP then for MW pointage,if I'm lucky who know maybe get a third somewhere............
Title: Re: The June and July dates for the MW
Post by: Fast Eddy on February 17, 2011, 08:27:19 PM
Quote from: jigs on February 17, 2011, 06:09:45 PM
Better then none....otherwise we'd be terrorizing tho poor track day orgs and they'd be getting bitched at....eesshhh!!
So Robbie...maybe I will do HTP then for MW pointage,if I'm lucky who know maybe get a third somewhere............
Lets go to HTP Johnny!
Title: Re: The June and July dates for the MW
Post by: racenrub on February 17, 2011, 09:50:32 PM
B nice if the autobahn would let ccs run once. would make for a reasonable drive for me and of course all the chicago/ wisconsin folk wouldn't have a bad drive either.
Title: Re: The June and July dates for the MW
Post by: Burt Munro on February 17, 2011, 11:46:33 PM
Quote from: racenrub on February 17, 2011, 09:50:32 PM
B nice if the autobahn would let ccs run once. would make for a reasonable drive for me and of course all the chicago/ wisconsin folk wouldn't have a bad drive either.
CCS ran there 3 times soon after the track opened a couple of years ago........  wasn't much fun for anyone.  Track surface was already deteriorating pretty bad in it's 2nd year.  Track layout meant that any bikes that needed to be picked up during practice or racing created an automatic 10-15 delay to get the Crash Truck on and off the track.  Club members did their best to remind you that you weren't a member.  About the only good part for a lot of people was that it wasn't much of a drive home.
Title: Re: The June and July dates for the MW
Post by: Woofentino Pugrossi on February 18, 2011, 01:05:20 AM
Quote from: Sobottka on February 17, 2011, 04:40:16 PM
...... I can't believe there's only 5 races  :wah:

Maybe next year things will get back to normal.
Title: Re: The June and July dates for the MW
Post by: racenrub on February 18, 2011, 09:33:40 PM
Well that's a shame that us lower class citizens aren't welcome there. It did seem a little roungh when i went there i will admit. Guess i'll have to just try blackhawk......but it's so short, haha.
Title: Re: The June and July dates for the MW
Post by: Fast Eddy on February 18, 2011, 11:14:02 PM
I was at Autobahn 2 summers ago and I think they are figuring out what side the bread is buttered on.
I think they are finding out that bikes are not bad and help offset the cost of overhead a lot.

Unfortunately they let cars on the track and it is getting worst than ever.
Title: Re: The June and July dates for the MW
Post by: racenrub on February 18, 2011, 11:53:13 PM
Darn those four wheel concoctions.
Title: Re: The June and July dates for the MW
Post by: Woofentino Pugrossi on February 19, 2011, 04:22:25 AM
Quote from: racenrub on February 18, 2011, 11:53:13 PM
Darn those four wheel concoctions.

I'll be tossing one of those four wheel concotions around this year.   :lmao:
Title: Re: The June and July dates for the MW
Post by: SV88 on February 19, 2011, 09:00:08 AM
I like to think of ATVs as the retarded version of dirt bikes....
Title: Re: The June and July dates for the MW
Post by: jigs on February 19, 2011, 09:47:16 AM
I will do HTP Ed,talked to Sobottka yesterday,may go through Decater,and ride with him the rest of the way.....Unless you go and we can meet him...you have a bigger trailer than mine.... ::)
Title: Re: The June and July dates for the MW
Post by: racenrub on February 19, 2011, 05:24:50 PM
Haha, ya i don't understand quads for some reason. I can't fathom racing supercross on a 3-wheeler though. JIGS are you talking about decatur,il if so i'm just 15 miles away in Illiopolis from this sobottka you mentioned.
Title: Re: The June and July dates for the MW
Post by: racenrub on February 19, 2011, 07:45:23 PM
speaking of joliet....just caught this on speed by chance. http://www.24hoursoflemons.com/     anybody heard of it?
Title: Re: The June and July dates for the MW
Post by: Woofentino Pugrossi on February 20, 2011, 02:20:25 AM
Quote from: racenrub on February 19, 2011, 07:45:23 PM
speaking of joliet....just caught this on speed by chance. http://www.24hoursoflemons.com/     anybody heard of it?

Yep. Ususally is funny as hell watching.
Title: Re: The June and July dates for the MW
Post by: grasslander on February 21, 2011, 08:20:06 AM
Quote from: jigs on February 17, 2011, 06:09:45 PM
So Robbie...maybe I will do HTP then for MW pointage,if I'm lucky who know maybe get a third somewhere............

Yes Jigs - come on down to our playground.  We'll treat you right!
Title: Re: The June and July dates for the MW
Post by: jigs on February 21, 2011, 12:03:44 PM
What's up bro!!  Yeah,pretty sure we'll be there.......looking forward to it...talk soon. :thumb:
Title: Re: The June and July dates for the MW
Post by: Sobottka on February 21, 2011, 06:36:07 PM
Quote from: racenrub on February 19, 2011, 05:24:50 PM
Haha, ya i don't understand quads for some reason. I can't fathom racing supercross on a 3-wheeler though. JIGS are you talking about decatur,il if so i'm just 15 miles away in Illiopolis from this sobottka you mentioned.
Decatur Il it is!!! Soy City! Woot!!!
Title: Re: The June and July dates for the MW
Post by: grasslander on February 21, 2011, 09:30:23 PM
Quote from: jigs on February 21, 2011, 12:03:44 PM
What's up bro!!  Yeah,pretty sure we'll be there.......looking forward to it...talk soon. :thumb:

Hey any area info you need just let me know.  It's probably safe for you to bring SlowMan...
Title: Re: The June and July dates for the MW
Post by: jigs on February 22, 2011, 01:37:32 PM
OK,he'll be there...lol,yup,Racenrub...godd ole' Robbie's out of "Soy City"....dubious distinction I might add,I may go through there,we'll have to sort it out but we're goin'.................
Title: Re: The June and July dates for the MW
Post by: Paratrooper22 on February 22, 2011, 02:16:52 PM
Quote from: jigs on February 17, 2011, 06:09:45 PM
Better then none....otherwise we'd be terrorizing tho poor track day orgs and they'd be getting bitched at....eesshhh!!
So Robbie...maybe I will do HTP then for MW pointage,if I'm lucky who know maybe get a third somewhere............

Good luck with that, old man :P Not gonna happen on my watch :)
Title: Re: The June and July dates for the MW
Post by: racenrub on February 22, 2011, 06:15:20 PM
Good buisness, i remeber meeting you at HPT last year,was my first race. Still can't understand how your helmet got so sweaty haha. Well hopefully i'll be seeing you back out there in another 2 months.
Title: Re: The June and July dates for the MW
Post by: jigs on February 23, 2011, 05:12:41 PM
Oh yeah,well good luck tryning to get me to bring you some Spotted Cow palsy....shoulda thought of that huh..."young man'    So,let's get it over with.........I suppose you want a case huh.
Title: Re: The June and July dates for the MW
Post by: Paratrooper22 on February 24, 2011, 12:47:31 AM
Quote from: jigs on February 23, 2011, 05:12:41 PM
Oh yeah,well good luck tryning to get me to bring you some Spotted Cow palsy....shoulda thought of that huh..."young man'    So,let's get it over with.........I suppose you want a case huh.

I guess I gotta play my cards right... Yeah, I'm gonna need a few cases... :D I plan on making the BHF round in July, by the way. Lookin forward to it!