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CCS Vintage
« on: November 08, 2016, 06:42:02 PM »
Heard through the grapevine that CCS may be entertaining some Vintage classes...true dat?

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Re: CCS Vintage
« Reply #1 on: November 08, 2016, 08:55:05 PM »
Yes
I don't have class rules with me(3-4 classes), email me for basis we are working on.
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Re: CCS Vintage
« Reply #2 on: November 09, 2016, 12:25:51 PM »

Current ideas, looking for GP vs SB suggestions in Middle and Light


 Vintage/Classic
Bikes and parts used must conform to model year cut offs, reproduction parts made similar to those in use at time are allowed. Bikes must conform to Grand prix or Superbike rules of section 6.2 and 6.3 of rulebook. Wheels are unrestricted other than being required to be metallic in all classes.
 
Premier
Grand Prix machines through 1985 model year
Unlimited displacement
Superbike through 1992 model year
775cc 4 cylinder
890cc twin cylinder
 
Middleweight vintage
Through 1992 model year
Superbike
Unlimited cc air cooled
775cc liquid cooled twin
640cc liquid cooled 4 cylinder
 
Lightweight vintage
Through 1992 model year
Superbike
Unlimited cc Single cylinder
Unlimited cc 4 stroke pushrod
550cc 2 Stroke Air cooled
400cc 2 stroke liquid cooled
775cc OHC twin
775cc 4 stroke triple
565cc OHC air cooled 4 cylinder
415cc liquid cooled 4 cylinder
 
Classic
bikes through 2006
Superbike
Must have been originally carbureted bike, must run carburetors
 
 
For reference here are sections 6.2 and 6.3
6.2 SUPERBIKE - SuperBikes are based upon production models, sold by
manufacturer and their dealers anywhere in the world for street use via normal
commercial channels. Proof of compliance rests with the competitor entering the
motorcycle. All machines must have unaltered VIN numbers. CCS reserves the
right to declare unusual or limited production machines eligible for SuperBike
competition. All machines must meet the standards of Section 5 as well as the
following. CCS reserves the right to re-factor machines at any time. CCS will
notify current licensees 30 days prior to any change. Changes will take effect 30
days from the original date of notification.
A. KTM RC390 Cup machines are allowed to compete in SuperBike.
6.2.1. All machines must meet the equipment standards of Section 5, as
well as the following:
A. Frame and engine cases must be from a production, street use
motorcycle, except for single cylinder motorcycles, which may use
any frame or engine.
B. The frame must be as originally supplied by the manufacturer on the
approved model. Strengthening gussets or tubes may be added.
Only brackets or tubes not supporting suspension, engine, or drive
line components may be removed. Swing arms may be modified or
replaced and rear shocks may be replaced or relocated.
C. Reducing engine size of machines from stock displacement to meet
lower class displacement limits is not allowed. (i.e. a bike that is a
Heavyweight in origin cannot be re-sized for Middleweight competition.
D. Any fairing may be used if it meets the requirements of Section 5.
E. Liquid cooling is not allowed unless original equipment on the model
being used.
6.2.2. SuperBike Class displacement limits are absolute

6.3 GRAND PRIX - Grand Prix machines are unrestricted in all areas as long as
they meet the standards of Section 5.
6.3.1 Machines not sold by manufacturers via normal commercial channels
may be approved for different displacement classes on an individual
basis. CCS will maintain a list of non-standard approved models and that
list will be available at each event from the Race Director. CCS reserves
the right to re-factor machines at any time. CCS will notify current
licensees 30 days prior to any change. Changes will take effect 30 days
from the original date of notification.
6.3.2 Grand Prix displacement limits are absolute
 
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Re: CCS Vintage
« Reply #3 on: November 09, 2016, 04:58:46 PM »
Thanks Eric. I'll float it around to my Vintage friends!
Garry W. Bird
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Re: CCS Vintage
« Reply #4 on: November 09, 2016, 05:07:30 PM »
Looks great so far :thumb:  Im assuming they will have to run at the same time as other classes......but will all the vintage be at the same time or broken up according to sharing the track with newer bike classes with approximatley the same closing speeds? Daytona had some really close moments with all of us combined. Either way....Im IN!!!

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Re: CCS Vintage
« Reply #5 on: November 11, 2016, 08:33:40 PM »
Looks great so far :thumb:  Im assuming they will have to run at the same time as other classes......but will all the vintage be at the same time or broken up according to sharing the track with newer bike classes with approximatley the same closing speeds? Daytona had some really close moments with all of us combined. Either way....Im IN!!!


Looks like the CCS Vintage classes will allow newer and faster bikes than the groups you encountered at Daytona.  I've raced with AHRMA since the 90's and 1972 is their cut off for Vintage.  They have had their heads up their a$$es not seeing that Vintage class dates need to be updated IMHO.
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Re: CCS Vintage
« Reply #6 on: November 12, 2016, 09:42:33 AM »
I was in the vintage race.....the bikes we encountered were lightweight vintage to the extreme.Granted I love that CCS is doing this,its just Im hoping it gets worked out to where everyone can race with other bikes that arent lapping slower bikes at 75 mph+ speeds differences.No reason for anyone to get flown out or worse just for a block of wood.

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Re: CCS Vintage
« Reply #7 on: November 14, 2016, 05:47:34 PM »
I am glad to hear about CCS Vintage. I have one suggestion regarding Premier.  Obviously someone gave some thought to 890cc limited twins to keep out 996 engined Ducatis.  I do have a Ducati horse in the race so take my suggestion with that in mind.  Even though superbike rules for the time allowed 1000cc twins the practical limit in a 888 engine was 926 with the stock crank and 955 with a longer stroke crank. This is with the 888 sized cases.
I think 955 would be an appropriate displacement limit for Twins in Premier as it would be period correct, and serve to eliminate non-period 996 while allowing at least a possibility of competitiveness with 775cc fours without building a complete grenade 888.


Also as an aside, my old racing 888 has a replacement frame from Ducati with out VIN. It was always a racebike and never street registered so it didn't matter. I would hope I could race it.


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Re: CCS Vintage
« Reply #8 on: November 15, 2016, 04:57:11 PM »
Are there actually enough people to fill a vintage grid?  Doesn't really make sense if 3 people show up to race it and they all get participation trophies.


What is the goal here?  To get people with an old bike in their garage to go racing? I actually like the 1972 limit.  Up it 20 years and rather than having a "restored" bike on the track, you just have an "old" bike on the track, and likely one that has not received as much care - making the class significantly more dangerous.


I don't have an iron in this fire, I'm just pointing out a few concerns.

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Re: CCS Vintage
« Reply #9 on: November 15, 2016, 06:08:44 PM »
Weve got a few WERA guys that ran in the V6-V8 classes that are interested in it,at least in the Mid-A region since WERA is non-existant now around here.It could potentially have more people on our grids than ULTB in its infancy days,but thats just a hopeful theory.

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Re: CCS Vintage
« Reply #10 on: November 17, 2016, 04:10:36 PM »
So looking at the tentative daytona schedule,I see it says vintage combined with ULSBK. So all 3 vintage classes will run together as well as "Classic".... Is this correct?

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Re: CCS Vintage
« Reply #11 on: November 17, 2016, 08:25:40 PM »
Consider NOT combining vintage with ulsb. A lot of the current vintage riders run both races . Perhaps combine with ultb moto3 etc where very few riders run both
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Re: CCS Vintage
« Reply #12 on: January 07, 2017, 11:01:55 PM »
Maybe I don't need to sell off that old Honda just yet.
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Re: CCS Vintage
« Reply #13 on: February 01, 2017, 01:03:58 PM »
Just to confirm, model year is the cutoff for a specific model, not the individual bike? i.e. a 1990 FZR600 will not conform to the rules since the FZR600 was made until 1999?
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