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Eric Kelcher

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Re: Should the GSXR565 (and similar bikes) be outlawed?
« Reply #180 on: January 12, 2016, 06:36:36 PM »
After reading as much as I can about this topic, I was curious if there was a definitive approval from CCS that the so called cripple triples are allowed in the Lightweight classes.
Triple regardless of build method, factory, destroked/bored Triumph/MV, deactivated cylinder 4 etc limited to 500cc liquid cooled 4 stroke.
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Re: Should the GSXR565 (and similar bikes) be outlawed?
« Reply #181 on: January 13, 2016, 01:12:45 PM »
Triple regardless of build method, factory, destroked/bored Triumph/MV, deactivated cylinder 4 etc limited to 500cc liquid cooled 4 stroke.
What displacement can a  de-strocked 4 cylinder be for LW classes?

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Re: Should the GSXR565 (and similar bikes) be outlawed?
« Reply #182 on: January 20, 2016, 10:10:24 AM »
If you want to run a 600 then run it in the Middleweight class where it belongs.....

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Re: Should the GSXR565 (and similar bikes) be outlawed?
« Reply #183 on: January 20, 2016, 10:58:21 AM »
I canít believe this conversation is still going on. I remember caring about this a few years back for about a day. Personally, though I run an SV and in theory would be put at a disadvantage if the 565 becomes legal, I just donít really care, itís CLUB RACING! And on that same note, itís CLUB RACING, so why go through the effort of taking a perfectly good 600 and detuning it so you can race Lightweight. Seriously, that is one of the most foolish things Iíve heard in a while. If you want to run a 600 than just man up and race it in middleweight. If you want to race lightweight than simply buy any damn SV650 and run it. Itís not like there is a shortage of SV650 bikes around.

Everyone is overthinking this and Iím not sure why. Just buy the bike that is designed for the class you intend on running and SHUT UP AND RIDE!

That is all. Good Day!

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Re: Should the GSXR565 (and similar bikes) be outlawed?
« Reply #184 on: January 20, 2016, 12:15:59 PM »
I canít believe this conversation is still going on. I remember caring about this a few years back for about a day. Personally, though I run an SV and in theory would be put at a disadvantage if the 565 becomes legal, I just donít really care, itís CLUB RACING! And on that same note, itís CLUB RACING, so why go through the effort of taking a perfectly good 600 and detuning it so you can race Lightweight. Seriously, that is one of the most foolish things Iíve heard in a while. If you want to run a 600 than just man up and race it in middleweight. If you want to race lightweight than simply buy any damn SV650 and run it. Itís not like there is a shortage of SV650 bikes around.

Everyone is overthinking this and Iím not sure why. Just buy the bike that is designed for the class you intend on running and SHUT UP AND RIDE!

That is all. Good Day!

This from the guy with THE most over engineered SV on the planet. Ya, it's club racing.

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Re: Should the GSXR565 (and similar bikes) be outlawed?
« Reply #185 on: January 20, 2016, 03:41:04 PM »
I would like to see that play out. Do you think if one could get a 100hp out of a cripple it could do battle with the Duc?

No, a good Duc will crush a cripple tripple.  Those Ducs are so insanely fast when built.....
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Re: Should the GSXR565 (and similar bikes) be outlawed?
« Reply #186 on: January 28, 2016, 08:49:43 PM »
Haha well played, Bruce. If you know my equipment, you know damn well that the bike I ride in most races is nothing special. It's not the lightest or fastest out there. On the other hand, yes, my SB is a wicked SOB. But again, I hardly ride it. In fact, I rode it in two races last year. Let me take this even further. The motor I ran until the last race weekend was bone stock. I bought for $250 with 30k miles on it.
« Last Edit: January 28, 2016, 08:54:36 PM by kvanengen »

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Re: Should the GSXR565 (and similar bikes) be outlawed?
« Reply #187 on: January 30, 2016, 01:07:29 AM »
I like butter. I like it on bread, popcorn, and especially blueberry waffles.

Sometimes, I even just eat plain old butter, by itself. Just a little bit, though, not even a full pat or anything like a spoonful, oh no.
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Re: Should the GSXR565 (and similar bikes) be outlawed?
« Reply #188 on: February 05, 2016, 10:57:19 AM »
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Re: Should the GSXR565 (and similar bikes) be outlawed?
« Reply #189 on: February 05, 2016, 11:23:04 AM »
Triple regardless of build method, factory, destroked/bored Triumph/MV, deactivated cylinder 4 etc limited to 500cc liquid cooled 4 stroke.


This got me thinking, why is the displacement cap for a liquid cooled 4 cylinder MORE than that of a liquid cooled 3 cylinder in LWGP


I have no horse in this race (a good thing since it would have been beaten to death by now) just curious.

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Re: Should the GSXR565 (and similar bikes) be outlawed?
« Reply #190 on: December 12, 2017, 09:59:29 PM »
I think saying performance advantage is bad wording. There are a ton of bikes now in the lightweight class that have similar performance a better question would be "at what point is a bike no longer a "lightweight" bike?" 

110hp+ is not lightweight.  That is middleweight performance.
160mph+ is not lightweight. That is middleweight.

I'm not saying those things because I want the SV to remain the top of the lightweight food chain.  I have no issue if another bike, say the FZ-07 is actually good, take over the crown.  I would love for there to be 4-5 different makes of 650/700 twins out there. 

Yes, the rules have been in place for awhile.  But you have to look at what the lightweight class is about and it's not HP race.  565/Big Ducs are hardly LW bikes anymore.  They have created this point and shoot racing in the LWT field which just shouldn't be.   I'm not saying all the Ducati's are guilty.  I don't want them outlawed, I like the bikes.  But the 1100's should be Thunderbike and thats it.

I think one rule change should be that the GT Lights (for team challenge and sprint) should be Superbike rules, not GP.   This won't happen but it would help.