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J-Janisch

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15 Year Olds on 600s
« on: October 21, 2002, 02:35:18 PM »
If a rider is qualified and under the referee's descresion, should he/she be aloud to ride a 600 before they're 16?  If one was limited to a Lightweight bike until there 16, how can they accumulate enough points to have a good grid spot at Daytona?  And if one is not aloud to ride a 600, should they be forced to become an expert?  ???

I understand that one has to be 16 to go to Daytona, but what I'm saying is, what if your turning 16 during the year and want to start in the front of the grid at Daytona on a 600 but you don't have enough points to be there (in front).
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Re: 15 Year Olds on 600s
« Reply #1 on: October 21, 2002, 02:52:41 PM »
No one under the age of 16 is allowed to race at Daytona.  That is a track rule.  I hope that answer your question.  But Kevin Elliott would be the one to talk to about that.  
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Re: 15 Year Olds on 600s
« Reply #2 on: October 21, 2002, 03:23:46 PM »
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If a rider is qualified and under the referee's descresion, should he/she be aloud to ride a 600 before they're 16?  If one was limited to a Lightweight bike until there 16, how can they accumulate enough points to have a good grid spot at Daytona?  And if one is not aloud to ride a 600, should they be forced to become an expert?  ???

I understand that one has to be 16 to go to Daytona, but what I'm saying is, what if your turning 16 during the year and want to start in the front of the grid at Daytona on a 600 but you don't have enough points to be there (in front).


Jessie (I am assuming this  :-/):

You are mopping up in the Lightweight classes on your SV.  Why do you want to move to the 600 class?

Dawn   :)

P.S.  If you do move to the other class, that would mean that Paul would finish a place higher each race.   ;)
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Re: 15 Year Olds on 600s
« Reply #3 on: October 21, 2002, 03:54:35 PM »
Dawn- The reason I want to ride in the 600 class is because I want to some day ride in the Pros.
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Re: 15 Year Olds on 600s
« Reply #4 on: October 21, 2002, 03:57:35 PM »
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Dawn- The reason I want to ride in the 600 class is because I want to some day ride in the Pros.


That's what I figured, but is one more year going to make a difference? or is there a specific time line you are working towards?

Just one note on becoming and expert.  In my own opinion, I think that you should.  I have seen you beat Ed Key and you consistantly finish in the top 5.  You have the talent.  What advantage would it be to remain an amature?


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Re: 15 Year Olds on 600s
« Reply #5 on: October 21, 2002, 05:13:25 PM »
How do you get  a good grid at Daytona 600 races?  Ride your young butt off on a hot SV in the 600 classes until you can legally ride the middleweights.  Unless CCS decides they should have riders classified by their ability and not just age.  Other clubs do it.
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Re: 15 Year Olds on 600s
« Reply #6 on: October 21, 2002, 07:09:52 PM »
Matt Wait was gridded dead last @ Daytona and still finished 7th.  Trust me, a 16 yo newly legal 600CC rider gridded dead last and finishing top 10 will get ya noticed as much as winning from the front row.

And Weggie Man is right, the way the point structure is and with most racers not making every weekend, race up and accumulate points, if the rules will allow you to race up.
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Re: 15 Year Olds on 600s
« Reply #7 on: October 22, 2002, 06:13:15 AM »
I'm sure that the 16 year age limit has nothing  to do with the riders skill and ability to compete but originates from the from the perceptions of our society today. Although 15 year olds could drive a car or shoot a gun we do not allow them to get a drivers license or to join the military. Sometimes it just sucks to be too young or too old.
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Re: 15 Year Olds on 600s
« Reply #8 on: October 22, 2002, 01:36:06 PM »
Read today's post on Roadracing World "Little Nicky".  WERA and MRA let 14 year old racers run middleweights.   It's called demonstrated ability.  :o
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Re: 15 Year Olds on 600s
« Reply #9 on: October 23, 2002, 03:45:40 AM »
Ok for my two cents, if a 15 yr old can show in practice that he can handle the bike I say let him race it. Hell I know some 14 yr olds that can ride liter bikes better then some older guys So let them race if they can prove it to CCS.
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Re: 15 Year Olds on 600s
« Reply #10 on: October 28, 2002, 11:48:31 AM »
Jesse has more than demonstrated that he has the skill and the maturity to win races. I say let him ride a 600. As far as turning expert.. you should most definately turn expert but that's for my own selfish reasons :)
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Re: 15 Year Olds on 600s
« Reply #11 on: October 29, 2002, 02:31:15 PM »
Jesse, The first thing I would do if I was your age and had the talent you have is get to WERA. I race CCS because I'm 33 and live closer to ccs tracks.This is not to sit and bash CCS ,but I have been around this sport off and on since 1985 at different levels and you need to get the attention of a guy named John Ulrich (team Hammer) he is the guy that started alot of pro's careers.I like racing in CCS,but if you are looking to get ahead-Race WERA.How many guys(I know there are some) do you see climbing from Blackhawk to pros?? Daytona wins mean very little(other than personal) win a Suzuki cup race and see what happens.. Ask Ed Key about this ( I know you know him) and see what he says...Don't waste you talent around here-I think you can also race a larger bike at a younger age ...Good luck
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Re: 15 Year Olds on 600s
« Reply #12 on: November 04, 2002, 06:57:53 AM »
The really big picture for CCS is that we are part of a publically-held company. We not only have to be responsible to our riders, but we also have an obligation to the shareholders to maintain socially acceptable standards.

It was hard enough to get our parent company to allow the 14 year olds to compete in what is statistically the second most dangerous form of motorcycle racing, (mile dirt track is the most dangerous). CCS did not allow anyone under 16 until the 2000 season, and if it wasn't for lots of lobbying and promises we had to make (and keep), they still wouldn't be allowed to compete with us today. I understand what you are asking for, I also understand CCS's responsiblity to it's corporate parent. Just like a drivers license, even though all four of my kids could drive my pickup before they were 14, the state wasn't interested in "demonstrated ability", they are more interested in an easily enforced standard that is publically acceptable. Hence, they have all waited until they were 16 to get their drivers license.

I personally have no doubt about Jesse Janisch's ability, and when he reaches the age of 16, he will be able to demonstrate that to all the CCS racers on a 600. Until then, we must follow our rules, and keep our promises.

See you at the races.
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Re: 15 Year Olds on 600s
« Reply #13 on: November 05, 2002, 05:44:49 AM »
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Jesse, The first thing I would do if I was your age and had the talent you have is get to WERA. I race CCS because I'm 33 and live closer to ccs tracks.This is not to sit and bash CCS ,but I have been around this sport off and on since 1985 at different levels and you need to get the attention of a guy named John Ulrich (team Hammer) he is the guy that started alot of pro's careers.I like racing in CCS,but if you are looking to get ahead-Race WERA.How many guys(I know there are some) do you see climbing from Blackhawk to pros?? Daytona wins mean very little(other than personal) win a Suzuki cup race and see what happens.. Ask Ed Key about this ( I know you know him) and see what he says...Don't waste you talent around here-I think you can also race a larger bike at a younger age ...Good luck


Scott Zampach, Bob Meister, Bob Sandy, Todd Harrington, Ed Key, John Eidenberger, we could go on...

I guess then everyone should probably move to California too.  Many factory pros are from there too.

Too many variables to tell anyone what to do unless you've actually had a pro contract, and even then.  

How many racers have the desire to to it?  Lots.  How many spots are there?  How much money do you have?  How many guys have slipped through John's hands and into obscurity?

If you really want to draw a line, I think the thing to say would be start your knowledge base in dirt track and then move to road racing.  (We could make a long list on that.)

And there probably is no set answer on how to do it.
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« Reply #14 on: November 05, 2002, 06:08:50 AM »
S.D.- I knew that my response would start something,But I was the guy that raced with John Eidenberger and traveled around the country racing with him. I know all of the people you listed and I guess I may have forgot about them.Having been around the sport as long as I have, I have an oppinion as to what I think would better Jesse's chances to get noticed.Maybe I'm living in the mid80's but I still think for a young rider he should go where he can get on a 600 and move forward. He knows how to ride,so he does not need lessons,he needs to get exposure and learn to go faster now.I talked with his father the other day and they want to succeed at this,but have a limited budget and won't be racing for the next ten years trying to make it.I think they want the big time and not to be regional champ's.I wish him the best and am now done on this list, since everytime someone has an oppinion someone always has to jump in that persons face.Thanks for pointing out the people I forgot about-John Eidenberger and I are best friends and I should have remembered him at least.But remember he was fast around here but then went to wera for the money and faster comp and so did the Z-man.
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