2003 Top 10- new rule

[Bender]

 >:(

OK, based on the mailer which CCS just sent out, the points accrual policy will change for 2003.  Essentially the rule removes anyone that doesn't run a 600 or 750cc from contention for a Top 10 plate.

To the CCS officials that monitor this board-  Exactly how is this fair for racers like me that compete in classes with an SV650??  I work my butt off just as hard in the classes I race in as any 600 or 750cc Expert.  This is by far the most biased rule I've ever heard of...

Mike Bender
Millennium Racing
CCS Ex#216

[Mongrel]

I don't see the SV being knocked out of a chance to get a top 10 finish.  LWSB, LWSS, LWGP, GTLights are all still eligible for points towards a top 10 plate.  The only one that the SV fits in that won't get points is HW Sportsman and Formula 40.

[CCS]

That's right, the only classes excluded from Top Ten and Track Championships are the classes that traditionally have very speciallized equipment, or place an undue restriction on general participation (Formula 40) and that is all. As a matter of fact, the SV 650 has more classes to run in for the Top Ten than any other, 14 total.

Good luck and Happy Holidays all!   ;D

[Eric Kelcher]

Personal opionion here but I think there should be a cap on number of races one racer can earn points for top 10 in. Say 4 races total. That way the racer with the most money (bikes) doesn't automatically win. The SVrider was shoe in to win in most ragions.  I think its much more fair now than before.  I hope the system works to reward the most talented, dedicated racer in each region.

[Ex_CCS_Racer]

Maybe compare the number of classes each can run and use the lowest number. Then base it off the best finishes in those. I know it's a little more paperwork but it'd be fair. :-*

[Mahly]

 >:(
All this talk about "Specialized" equipement is horse hockey!!!
You can run a '89 GS500 and win races........try that in 600 or 750ss!!! In those classes, you need a NEW bike every 2-3 years!!!!!!!
I guess they concider inexpensive "specialized"

[Ex_CCS_Racer]

I know what you mean. My "new" F4 is already a little dated.

[G 97]

Bender and Mahlendorf causing trouble again.  You both got new bikes so whats the concern.  See you at the show.   :P :P

[roadracer68]

 

This is something that never seems to change, If you have the most money you will win the #1 plate. I am not trying to take anything away from M.M. or S.P. but hey these guys race 8 races a weekend have mutiple bike's, and have other people pay for the tires, fuel, and etc. How can I possibly compete with them. We must get it limited to your number of races per weekend, So even if you run 8 races you can only take top four finishes for overall point's.

A good example of how bad it is a "RIDER" who had a big sponser early in 2001 season entered 8-9 races everyweekend , then the bottom fell out mid season , he stopped racing missing 5 events still finished 3 rd in points overall. and we all know the rider in south east region who ran the ex500 for 2 years and was #1 plate holder for 2 years straight.

We the riders should be the strong hold of the CCS with out us they are all looking for new jobs. If we speak loud enough they will listen.

regards
Patrick Weekley        

[Dave Alexander]

What I don't understand is why the Supertwins class wasn't excluded for top ten contention?  CCS maintains that most of the classes were removed because they required "specialized equipment".  Why would Supersingles be excluded but not Supertwins?

For example, let's say two guys are competing head to head for the championship.  One rides an RC51 and the other a GSXR750.  The guy on the RC51 should win the title even if he finishes behind the GSXR most of the time because he can run an extra race each weekend in Supertwins.  Since Supertwins isn't a heavily attended race he should pick up at least 50 more points every time out.

At first I couldn't understand why Sportsman was excluded, but now I believe it's to balance the number of available races for a given bike.  The LW guys had the advantage of being eligible for 1 to 3 extra races in a weekend in addition to the traditional SS, SB, GP, and GT classes.

If the intent of the rule was to level out the number of available races per bike then I think we should also exclude the points earned while riding a smaller bike in a higher class.  In other words, if I ride an SV650 in LWSS and MWSS I should only get top-ten points for the LWSS class.  However, if I only run MWSS then those points should count.

[Rich Denman]

As a new member of CCS and aware that I am replying to a fairly old thread, I would like to know how this logic relates to 250 GP riders. If I am correct, we can only participate in LWGP, MWGP, and GTU. If this is the case, aren't we at a distinct disadvantage if this is the only bike we compete on?

Rich Denman

[Eric Kelcher]

250 GP legal in LWGP,MWGP,GTU,UGP,GTO

[Bob Robbins]

There is no way to make it work without someone feeling they were outspent. If you require the top ten to have finished the season in the top 3 for the points to count it will reduce points chasing by lower finishers, and will actually reflect the rider more than the present system. In the Northeast, they do not acknowledge points overall. I had the most points by far, competing in 5 classes, finishing the season in all classes in first through third, and I would not have felt that I was the no. 1 guy there. You need to remember, when people see a no. 1 plate, they assume you're fast and will target you. At Loudon, you can wear the no. 1 in the class you won only, so you change numbers for everything else.

[Sean Wyatt]

I think there should be a #1 plate for each weight-class (ex. #1 ULW/Super Single, #1 LW, #1 MW, #1HW, #1Unltd.)  This may seem like a lot of #1 plates, but it will definitely illuminate whom are the dominate people in a particular weight-class.  Of course this makes the corner worker's job a lot harder, but I think the recognition from being seen and known as the #1 in particular weight-class would mean more to the racers and make watching the races more enjoyable.  It can also be an added sponsorship seeking tool.

If you compete in more than one weight-class, add letters to signify where the number applies.  Even better, have different colored number plates for the different weight classes.  I'm tired of seeing Europeans and Australians with all different colors number plates.  I can see it now, red number plate with 629 emblazoned across it.

[Super Dave]

Letters attached to number ones is how AHRMA does it for each class champion.  Does make it a bit confusing during a practice session.

I feel that the championship now is based on how much money one has to spend.  How many bikes, how many races.  Indeed, there are riders that are fast that do win championships, but it isn't a race to a championship, it's a matter of money.  Often times, good riders don't chase the championship because they can't compete at the "money" level.

Would it be easier to compete with fewer races counting toward the championship?  I believe so, but it would be cumbersome for CCS to do this.  But would it now as Sportsman racing does not count toward the overall points championship?

Here's a new idea....  But maybe it has been thought of before.

Take a rider's number of points and mulitply it by the performance index.  An index of 1000 would be 1, an index of 500 would be .5 (we're talking percentages here.)

So, rider Billy Bo has 27,000 points, but has a performance index of 50.  Adjusted points are 1350.  Meanwhile, Sally Rotten Crotch has 2,000 points with a peformance index of 850,  Her adjusted points are 1700.

Any thoughts?

New bikes every couple of years?  That's what we call marketing, folks.  Last year at Blackhawk, there were several of us doing 1:13's on 600's.  In 1993, while riding CBR600F2's at Blackhawk, there were several of us doing 1:15's.  Two seconds in ten years?  The change is not as big as one thinks it is.  Tires change, the bikes become more powerful, but a fast rider on a well set up bike will go fast.  The HP does not make that much difference.  If it did, 750's and 1000's would be killing 600's.