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Re: Proposed New Tire Rule (or lack of!)
« Reply #30 on: October 27, 2011, 03:24:13 PM »
Mostly because there just isn't that many bikes being built that fit in the LW category.

Despite that, there will always be someone who will build the bikes to the maximum that the rules allow....I didn't hear much complaining when the SV came out and started destroying all of the Honda Hawks, Aprillia 250's, EX 500's, etc.

Besides, the SV should be pretty dominant in ULW, right?

Wasn't the point, and I missed the era where the sv started beating up on the hawk et al - the current rule set for Supersport is a recipe for expense, the lack of significant restrictions on a lot of things is what makes it so expensive to run a competitive bike in LW - and hey I have a lot of trick bits on the SS legal bike myself...then again I'm an established Software engineer nearing the formula old guy age and can afford that stuff, but that doesn't make it accessible to a larger audience...LW supposedly is the place that an aspiring racer can get his/her feet wet with a lower bill to foot to do so...I feel it's the opposite, it's probably cheaper to race a liter bike for a season than a truely competitive SS bike in CCS

All that said, what I've seen/read of the ULW Thunderbike rules are more "wera" like in that they state more what you can do to the bike rather than what you can't and should help contain costs and make for some seriously good "entry" level racing - just waiting myself to see if we get rounds of it up in the midwest.....

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Re: Proposed New Tire Rule (or lack of!)
« Reply #31 on: October 30, 2011, 11:01:25 AM »
I have heard many valid points in this thread that apply to the whole mix in racing. We may have strayed off the topic a little so please accept my apologies. In my thinking racing is all about the whole package. It is about the rider, the brand of bike and the assets it contains, and the amount of money I am willing to spend to overcome the liabilities/deficits. Put my whole package together against some other package and we have a race.

The small rider has an advantage over the larger. I can lose weight but not as much as  cold when I was younger. So I add horsepower up to the limit of the rules. Hopefully the lighter rider doesn't have enough money to do the same. For me I race on a budget and choose not to spend as much as others, but I hold my own when it comes race time. eat I hear the saying, "if you can't afford racing then maybe you shouldn't be". I race with what I can afford.

Lightweight for me is a good starting point for any racer. It offers the new rider a chance to practice and hone skills without the threat of tremendous speed or power that overwhelms the rear tire traction. On the other end of the lightweight spectrum where all the fast experts ride can become very costly. But that's only if you choose to spend that much.

A new Rider in the larger class' already have more than enough power to overwhelm the rear tire and speed to overwhelm the senses of the rider. There is not as much need to upgrade for more power. There is a lot more potential in the ability of the rider before performance upgrades are necessary.

Now, tire choice. I use the tire of my choice because I want to. If it fits within my budget and provides the results that I need then it's my choice.

Rules are there because it helps to delineate the difference in the class structure.
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Re: Proposed New Tire Rule (or lack of!)
« Reply #32 on: October 31, 2011, 08:58:35 AM »
Exactly, good post Mark!
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Re: Proposed New Tire Rule (or lack of!)
« Reply #33 on: November 04, 2011, 06:51:02 PM »
Mostly because there just isn't that many bikes being built that fit in the LW category.

Despite that, there will always be someone who will build the bikes to the maximum that the rules allow....I didn't hear much complaining when the SV came out and started destroying all of the Honda Hawks, Aprillia 250's, EX 500's, etc.

Besides, the SV should be pretty dominant in ULW, right?

The SV is a moderately priced bike and could destroy a Hawk or an EX500 SS prepped.  A DB5R costs how much?

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Re: Proposed New Tire Rule (or lack of!)
« Reply #34 on: November 04, 2011, 07:36:14 PM »
It all depends on how much you are willing to spend on the SV. Arnie hastings has done well on the SV against all those big motor Ducati bikes.
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Re: Proposed New Tire Rule (or lack of!)
« Reply #35 on: November 07, 2011, 08:52:09 PM »
Arnie's Sv isnt fixed up much at all.Power is about the same as mine,which isnt much.It is about the rider and suspension that makes it fast in the turns.Now if he rode it at daytona his bike would not be fast enough to do much out there just like mine.
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Re: Proposed New Tire Rule (or lack of!)
« Reply #36 on: November 07, 2011, 09:23:29 PM »
Understand that Mark which only goes along with my meaning. If you want all the bikes even then it would be a cup race, whether it be the SV cup or more recently the Ninja 250 cup. Everyone can afford that bike. There is nothing stopping anyone from spending bucco bucks on the SV, and there have been some elaborate SV machinery around. I seem to remember one specifically that cost somewhere in the realm of $50K. That's a Bimota and then some.
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Re: Proposed New Tire Rule (or lack of!)
« Reply #37 on: November 07, 2011, 09:58:23 PM »
The SV is a moderately priced bike and could destroy a Hawk or an EX500 SS prepped.  A DB5R costs how much?

The DB5 is certainly a big advantage, and a very expensive one at that. There are still 1000DS available, Charlie Mavros has done pretty well on his 1100 monster this year as well.

But I was responding to the idea that SUPERSPORT class rules are a recipe for expense- Most MW bikes are pretty even in stock form- LW bikes, not so much. As I said though, there will always be someone willing to spend big bucks to build a bike to class limits. And none of the DB5s running currently in CCS (FL anyways) are SS legal.

Sorry for the hijack- not that it should matter, this board has had like 10 posts in the last 30 days....
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Re: Proposed New Tire Rule (or lack of!)
« Reply #38 on: April 03, 2012, 08:49:19 AM »
Im way late on this thread, but i agree with Ben.  Slicks and DOT's are very similar and offer little to to no advantage over each other.   
 
I wrote a nice long email to Kevin about this very subject back in October.  Of course, there was no reply. 
 
This would benifit both the racing org as people would probobly sign up for more races if they did not need a different set of tires and it would be easier on the tire vendors reducing our inventory needs. 
 
Years and years ago there were major differences in the two tires but things have changes.  Modern technology has brought the manufacturers to produce one carcass ("Diablo" for Pirelli) and either put sipes in the tire or dont.  Same tire, with or without sipes. 
 
The wear tends to be better on the current model slicks mainly because of the flex differences when a sipe is introduced to the OD of the tire. 
 
I hope someone comes to their senses on this subject...
 
 
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Re: Proposed New Tire Rule (or lack of!)
« Reply #39 on: April 04, 2012, 12:02:35 AM »
Well Dustin, they will need a different set if its raining. At least with DOT you can still go. Slicks and water arent a good combo. :biggrin:
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