Bridgestone 2010 Contingency payout

[danch]

Nuh uh! There's a magic tire out there somewhere that will transform me into a talented rider! I just know it.

[benprobst]

The "good rubber" that got their asses handed to them so bad in Moto GP their own teams were demanding Bridgestones in the middle of the season?  Oh yeah, that company 

The truth is every major manufacturer makes an excellent product at the top of their product line.  Michelin has chosen to re-introduce an old product line to be price competitive, and that's fine. Pirelli did it with the SC Pros, Dunlop had their AMA spec tire last year, etc... The fact remains that the rider and the machinery are what make the difference at the level of anyone reading this.

Ha, keep reaching buddy. Care to compare Michelin and Bridgestones GP record? WSB record? Club level record? Just because at the world level the rules were changed and Michelin didnt adapt quickly enough has nothing to do with the quality of tires at the club level.
Are you saying the Power Ones are an old product line or do you not pay attention to what the competitors (that are in front of you) are running?

[Sklossmonster]

Care to compare Michelin and Bridgestones GP record?

I'd love to, but unfortunately Michelin left with their tale between their legs when Rossi, Pedrosa, and Lorenzo all demanded Bridgestones because Michelin lost it's edge and couldn't compete anymore at the highest level.

WSB record?

WSB has been a spec tire series for years, you want to compare tires that don't even exist anymore?

Are you saying the Power Ones are an old product line or do you not pay attention to what the competitors (that are in front of you) are running?

My understanding is the race Power Ones in the 120/190 cost racers (who don't have tire deals like you) about $400, is that incorrect?

And for the record, I haven't raced since 2006 when none of the tires we're talking about had even been developed.  I'm looking forward to doing a few rounds this year, and the guys at the front of the Expert inline 4 classes in the Midwest are all on Dunlops and Pirellis.

[NOBODY]

We all know Michelin sux, cause they have a fat guy as an advertisement Icon.

Marshall, what are you ridin this year?  Yellow or White?

[Noidly1]

Skloss; Correct me if I'm wrong, (shut-up Ben...), But from what I have heard is that the Stones that the GP guys are running are from a differrent division than what the club level has access to and are developed by the Indy car division. The ones we have access to are from the street tyre division.

[majicMARKer]

MotoGP aside-I did some comparisons of my own and found that the Bridgestone paid the best for the finishes that I had. Yeah you may say if I used this other tire I would have had better finishes. Reality-this is a club racer, I get beat not because of the tire I use but because the winner is a better rider. I also occasionally won a couiple races against the same guy that beat me-same tires, same guys. They race on Dunlop, Michelin and Pirelli.

On those days that I have won I was the better rider.

[Sklossmonster]

Skloss; Correct me if I'm wrong, (shut-up Ben...), But from what I have heard is that the Stones that the GP guys are running are from a differrent division than what the club level has access to and are developed by the Indy car division. The ones we have access to are from the street tyre division.

Of course the tires at the Moto GP level are not what anyone has access to, but my understanding is that just like every manufacturer in the motorcycle industry the lessons learned trickle directly down into the products available to the racing community.  I've wondered why the slicks come packaged so differently than the DOTs, and why the compound codes and tire terminology is different from the slicks to the DOTs.  I'll find out and get back to this thread with what I learn.

 

[Sklossmonster]

Marshall, what are you ridin this year?  Yellow or White?

I was afraid they might make me petition to keep my Expert status since it's been over three years since I held an Expert license, but they were kind enough to save me the trouble.

Looking forward to gridding up again, it's been way too long. I wish I could afford to do a full season, but hopefully a few rounds will quench my thirst.

[Sklossmonster]

MotoGP aside-I did some comparisons of my own and found that the Bridgestone paid the best for the finishes that I had. Yeah you may say if I used this other tire I would have had better finishes. Reality-this is a club racer, I get beat not because of the tire I use but because the winner is a better rider. I also occasionally won a couiple races against the same guy that beat me-same tires, same guys. They race on Dunlop, Michelin and Pirelli.

On those days that I have won I was the better rider.

This is exactly what I'm talking about.  I don't think Mr. Probst is giving himself enough credit for the skills he's bringing to the table in his finishes.  Michelin's a great tire.  So is Dunlop.  And Pirelli.  And Bridgestone.  I guarantee you if he were committed to running one of the other tire brands and got his head and his bike dialed in to anyone of the major manufacturers he would be running similar times.

Until you're smashing lap records, and/or getting 20 sets of free tires to start the season, it's all about how much the tires cost, how much they pay, and how far down the order they pay. 

This is a great year for club racers on Bridgestone tires.  The payouts are excellent, they pay well down the finishing order, and trading certificates for tires is a breeze. 

And I'm being honest when I say I love those Bridgestone slicks, they're a phenomenal tire.  The biggest problem they have is that they'll never give free tires to front running Experts, it's against their philosophy.  I read in RRW that even when Rossi switched to Bridgstones and there was no spec tire rule, the Fiat Yamaha team had to buy their tires just like everyone else. Japanese pride, or something. 

[Noidly1]

Of course the tires at the Moto GP level are not what anyone has access to, but my understanding is that just like every manufacturer in the motorcycle industry the lessons learned trickle directly down into the products available to the racing community.  I've wondered why the slicks come packaged so differently than the DOTs, and why the compound codes and tire terminology is different from the slicks to the DOTs.  I'll find out and get back to this thread with what I learn.

 

Agreed...

This is exactly what I'm talking about.  I don't think Mr. Probst is giving himself enough credit for the skills he's bringing to the table in his finishes.  Michelin's a great tire.  So is Dunlop.  And Pirelli.  And Bridgestone.  I guarantee you if he were committed to running one of the other tire brands and got his head and his bike dialed in to anyone of the major manufacturers he would be running similar times.

Until you're smashing lap records, and/or getting 20 sets of free tires to start the season, it's all about how much the tires cost, how much they pay, and how far down the order they pay. 

This is a great year for club racers on Bridgestone tires.  The payouts are excellent, they pay well down the finishing order, and trading certificates for tires is a breeze. 

And I'm being honest when I say I love those Bridgestone slicks, they're a phenomenal tire.  The biggest problem they have is that they'll never give free tires to front running Experts, it's against their philosophy.  I read in RRW that even when Rossi switched to Bridgstones and there was no spec tire rule, the Fiat Yamaha team had to buy their tires just like everyone else. Japanese pride, or something. 

Back in the day,(showing my age here) 1989-95, I tried a butt load of tyres except Dunlops and fell in love with the Michelin TX's.

When I came back, in '06-7, I was introduced to the BS's 002's. They worked... then came the 003's, they sucked, period... kept loosing the front.

Then I tried their slicks. Holy Crap, now those I like!

Last year I gave Pirelli a try. I like the Dragons. They work well.

Next set was the new Pirelli "WSB" SC's.( if they were the pro's, I don't remember)
They were ok but, I like the Dragons better.

This year I am up in the air. After reading the March RRW article about why WSB and MotoGP are running what they are running, my gist is that Pirelli's are for short, tight tracks and BS's are for longer, more flowing tracks.
I wonder how Michey and Dunlops fall in.

I like the feedback I get with the BS slicks and the packaging reflects what I am getting and I will continue to use them, if anything for trackdays.

As for what I'm going to run contingency wise, I have no clue... Too many variables.
Either run what works or go for the money(shut-up Ben, no, I may not run up front but I can give it my best, for an old guy)

[red900]

It feels so weird to not be in this fight, i am so used to BBS battles i feel lost not getting involved..  Good luck boys

[gonecrazy]

there is no battle, I have used both tires and michelin`s have better feel and there front tires are in a class of there own. you cant compare the ones we use to gp or world superbike, its different rubber and has alot to do with $$$ just like dunflop and ama. Its is put up for bid with certain things that ama want.

[alexm]

I think my lack of talent disqualifies me from judging the performance differences of Bridgestone vs Michelin tires, but I did purchase enough tires in the last couple of years to judge trackside support.

In 08 I ran the bt03s and I liked them, but could not get any support from the vendor. Sometimes he was at BHF with tires, most times he wasn't. He had what seemed like random sizes and compounds in stock. The worst part was when I asked him what to run for hot/cold tire pressures, and he said "well, I'm not really sure".

I can't think of a CCS practice or race day when Tommy's big yellow truck wasn't present.
For that matter, it seems like Dustin's party bus looking setup is always there as well, and I've given him plenty an opportunity to rag on me while mounting Bridgestone tires because no Bridgestone vendor was at the event.

I hope Turn One Racing can change my image of Bridgestone tire trackside support.

Back to the lack of talent piece...I crashed less and went faster on the Michelins...

[red900]

For that matter, it seems like Dustin's party bus looking setup is always there as well, and I've given him plenty an opportunity to rag on me while mounting Bridgestone tires because no Bridgestone vendor was at the event.


Back to the lack of talent piece...I crashed less and went faster on the Michelins...

I feel so used, im good enough to spoon on your stones but no love when you switch brands...  lol   

Party looking bus?   i should have wrapped it like Johnny rock page's ride, oh well  to late. 

[Sobottka]

It feels so weird to not be in this fight, i am so used to BBS battles i feel lost not getting involved..  Good luck boys

all you sandbaggin track day whores are same anyway.... tamato, tahmahto