Lightweight Supersport Legality

[Cowboy 6]

No reason to get personal. Eric is a good guy and just trying to help.

[benprobst]

No reason to get personal. Eric is a good guy and just trying to help.

There was nothing personal about it. Unless he owns CCS and wrote the rule, which he doesn't, then there is nothing to take personal offence about. I just think the logic couldn't be further from reality when it comes to clarity on rules for racers and builders.

[backMARKr]

There was nothing personal about it. Unless he owns CCS and wrote the rule, which he doesn't, then there is nothing to take personal offence about. I just think the logic couldn't be further from reality when it comes to clarity on rules for racers and builders.

Did Dan Jasa sign in under Ben's account?

[benprobst]

Did Dan Jasa sign in under Ben's account?

Hey, hey, hey. Im a jerk but not that big of a jerk! But seriously, absolutly nothing against Eric, I like Eric and he does a really good job helping us racers out here and at the race track. But to say its easier to enforce and follow rules with enormous ambiguity and giant grey areas as opposed to very black and white rules seems a bit strange. Not to say the black and white rules are a bit exclusive and a pain in the ass sometimes.

[skiandclimb]

Speaking of Danny Yaya- anyone know if he's racing this season?

[Eric Kelcher]

Thanks I don't take it as personal attack. I can understand both sides of the issue one side by face value seems like it would be easier and cheaper to competitors with only dozen or so things that can be changed but in reality you have hundreds of other things to inspect in a tear down, vs a list of dozen or so things that have limits placed on modifications that would be checked.

Maybe the list of restricted items in SS should be expanded? In the time I have been involved in rules committees I can't recall ever seeing a request to add more restrictions to SS rules 

[backMARKr]

Speaking of Danny Yaya- anyone know if he's racing this season?

Nope....huntin' and fishin' last I heard.

[skiandclimb]

Nope....huntin' and fishin' last I heard.

I know! WTF? He went all "Grizzly Adams" on us!

[twilkinson3]

So for clarity sake - if Trace were to take the bottom half of a 2nd gen bolt up the heads et al from his first gen and replace or remove the generator and run carbs - it technically wouldn't be legal? and I'm pretty sure you couldn't tell the difference visually or hp/torque wise with the above being true - just asking for future reference if I blow up teh ss motor...again....

[benprobst]

So for clarity sake - if Trace were to take the bottom half of a 2nd gen bolt up the heads et al from his first gen and replace or remove the generator and run carbs - it technically wouldn't be legal? and I'm pretty sure you couldn't tell the difference visually or hp/torque wise with the above being true - just asking for future reference if I blow up teh ss motor...again....

Does a second generation SV have fuel injection?


If you answered correctly then you answered your own question. You must keep the stock fueling method. It doesnt matter if you change half of the parts on the motor, you have to keep the stock fueling. The above scenario is illegal in many other ways as well.

[tzracer]

It is pretty straight forward.

Do the 1st gen and 2nd gen cases have the same part number?

If not, they cannot be substituted.

[twilkinson3]

Personally I've got enough in parts at the moment to rebuild, but as the gen1s age and become less available motor wise and the gen2s are still in production I was asking from the replacement part perspective - plan on doing this a while hehe - I'll have to look up the part numbers one of these days but there is physically no difference in the engine components (bottom half) between a gen1 and gen2 outside the parts referenced above

For ben - I was referring to putting a 2nd gen crankcase/tranny in a 1st gen frame in my original question thus satisfying keeping the bike's original fuelling method

As always - appreciate the info

[benprobst]

Personally I've got enough in parts at the moment to rebuild, but as the gen1s age and become less available motor wise and the gen2s are still in production I was asking from the replacement part perspective - plan on doing this a while hehe - I'll have to look up the part numbers one of these days but there is physically no difference in the engine components (bottom half) between a gen1 and gen2 outside the parts referenced above
For ben - I was referring to putting a 2nd gen crankcase/tranny in a 1st gen frame in my original question thus satisfying keeping the bike's original fuelling method
As always - appreciate the info

You are el wrongo, as they say in spanish. The 1st gen and 2nd gen bottom end share approx. zero parts. The crank is different, the crank configuration and adjustability is different, the cases are different, the rods are different, the gaskets are different, the clutch is different, the clutch basket is different, the flywheel is different, the case covers and configuration is different, the oil ports are different, the trans is different and the list keeps going.

[123user]

For future reference... don't ask anybody "if" you can do it.  Just do it, put a fairing on the bike so no one can see, and wait until you're finishing in the top 3 to worry about it.

Its like going into the quicky-mart and telling the clerk you're going to steal something and then handing him your business card.  If your gonna cheat, do it quitely.

[tstruyk]

You are el wrongo, as they say in spanish. The 1st gen and 2nd gen bottom end share approx. zero parts. The crank is different, the crank configuration and adjustability is different, the cases are different, the rods are different, the gaskets are different, the clutch is different, the clutch basket is different, the flywheel is different, the case covers and configuration is different, the oil ports are different, the trans is different and the list keeps going.

so what youre saying is you can interchange the parts?