08 LW class rules

[HAWK]

I don't have my 2007 rulebook handy so this is off the top of my head. The BMW is legal for LWSB, the original ruling last year was that it would be legal in LW but after a considerable debate it was allowed to only run in SB.

[Gixxerblade]

I think you can still race up a class. I can't wait to beat a Beemer on a now UL bike. 

[HAWK]

Yes you can always race up a class, I think you will still see a lot of SVs on the LW grids next year. I just recieved an e-mail from Eric and there will be different prep rules imposed on the SV in ULW so you will now need 3 SVs. One for ULWSB, one for LWSS and one for LWSB as there will now be
3 levels of prep. I'm a little concerned about the $5000 I just invested in a SB motor for my SV.

[Super Dave]

The BMW is legal for LWSB, the original ruling last year was that it would be legal in LW but after a considerable debate it was allowed to only run in SB.

Well, I think my point is missed.  As you know, there are lots of BMW's.  But there was a model added to the line for 2007 or maybe even 2006.  I think its displacement was larger, something, or the rules were changed that moved it's classification.  Maybe that was already in place.

Displacement plays into the rules. 

As an example, in HWSS, as the rules are currently, you can run up to a 1000cc liquid cooled twin.  That displacement goes up in HWSB.  As an example, as the current rules are written, the Ducati 1098 and the Buell 1125 are legal for HWSB, but not HWSS.  I never looked at it that closely as I was racing an SV1000 which isn't over the 1000cc limit as it is. 

So, having those changes for SS vs SB would be reasonable.

We're talking semantics, I suppose.  Again, I'll be interested in seeing the whole rules package.

Doesn't develop extra motivation for me and spending money to enter my H1 project, forever unfinished, in UlwSB.  But I've been working on it for longer than some people have been racing.  I'll keep working on it.

[ducatiboy]

Hawks are screwed!

[HAWK]

Yes Dave you are correct, the BMW went from 1100 to 1200 last year, the 1100 has been SS legal for some time the 1200 was the one that created the controversy last winter and ended up SB only. Bmw has upped the power and reduced the weight for 2008 with the HP2. BMW claims 136 HP at the crank, and 392 lbs dry weight for the 1200cc HP2. I believe the sticker shock er price is said to be $15000-$20000 although BMW only says TBD.

[L8brake731]

Back to basics-

Displacement, cooling type.

At least running with air cooled Buells was competitive. It's never any fun getting your ass handed to you by liter bikes on long tracks. Kind of the same rules that apply to the Ducs and Aprilia's. At least we were all competitive. Getting back to the F800 BMW....

As for running 3 SV's for different classes; I wonder if it's really true that there will be "different prep rules" being imposed on SV's and possibly the Kawi's? Guess us LW guys have given the impression we have deep pockets.

Wouldn't it have made more sense to impose these supposed prep rules for the upcoming BMW's instead of ruining the ULWSB class?

As always, you can race up a class. But if we find there are 3-5 BMW's on the LW grid, why bother; why waste your money and your equipment? BMW has always been one to be the "Standout" in the crowd, but this may bring them to be left standing alone.

[mwsportsimaging]

Lets not forget that the sv is a 5 year old design.  Suzuki could come out with a new imporved sv next year that would be right on pace with the ducs and bmws.  Then what?  Change the rule again to move them back to LW?

[xb12racer]

Seems odd to me that the 984cc Buells were kicked out of ULSB and bumped up to lLW to race against the SV which they were deemed to be more competitive with. But now the SV's  are bumped back to UL but the 984cc Buells are not?
All seems a waste to me.

[Super Dave]

Ok, thanks for shedding light on that.  I though there was something about the XB9R in the past.

Again, we need a complete list of the new rules.

[HAWK]

Back to basics-

Displacement, cooling type.

At least running with air cooled Buells was competitive. It's never any fun getting your ass handed to you by liter bikes on long tracks. Kind of the same rules that apply to the Ducs and Aprilia's. At least we were all competitive. Getting back to the F800 BMW....

As for running 3 SV's for different classes; I wonder if it's really true that there will be "different prep rules" being imposed on SV's and possibly the Kawi's? Guess us LW guys have given the impression we have deep pockets.

Wouldn't it have made more sense to impose these supposed prep rules for the upcoming BMW's instead of ruining the ULWSB class?

As always, you can race up a class. But if we find there are 3-5 BMW's on the LW grid, why bother; why waste your money and your equipment? BMW has always been one to be the "Standout" in the crowd, but this may bring them to be left standing alone.

All good points. They should be made to Eric at CCS, if there is enough noise we might be able to get this change revised. The rulebooks have not been printed so it is not yet cast in stone. I think this one caught a bunch of us off guard so make some noise if you disagree.

[123user]

Hawks are screwed!

Yes!  But they've been screwed for a long time now.  Even with last years rules, hawks are for dedicated "hawk people".  I raced one for a couple of years... even won a regional and track championship on one.  Mine was pretty fast in its final incarnation, but still strugglled with SV's.  There's one exception... if you put a kx500 in one it'll really cook... but only for a couple of laps.  After that, parts start falling off.

[Team Spalding]

Seems to me that in the LWT classes this year the mix of bikes were all very competitive and that the rules were pretty well sorted out. Racing with Vtwins, inline 4s and air cooled bikes that are all competitive is what makes LWTs fun. Even at the ROC where hp rules there was many SVs on the podiums even though most went to Duc and BMW. I think L8break731 is right on the money, if the change is because of the BMW and Duc then impose the rules on the new bikes not the ones that are the bread and butter of the class. If there is a change that major it should be announced a year ahead of time.

[majicMARKer]

Where do I sign up to bitch and complain to the powers at be? In writing or a phone call? Will they answer the phone?

Mark

[majicMARKer]

Track days are looking a lot better.

Mark