Cheaters @ Summit Point

[spyderchick]

Kevin Elliot and Eric Kelcher are fair men.  CCS will do the appropriate thing...

Can someone say 39½?   

I luv yew man, I really really do!

[K3 Chris Onwiler]

Now there's a case study where fair men did the right thing.   As a wise man with the initials DR once said, "It may have been an ugly journey to winning those championships, but if you need to be consoled, think about the crybabies you prevented from winning them instead!"

[r1owner]

you would never do well as my accountant!!!   

Be carefull on what your accountant says...

[sv814]

Holy crap, these guys beat Arnie Hastings racing as Experts in WERA and then they race as Amature in CCS!!!!  thats just wrong.

Nah....his duc clutch was terrible that weekend, if you remember, he stalled it twice off the line in two seperate races, then the thing was slipping.  This weekend he was pretty much consistent 18.000's each lap on the 999

[ahastings]

I must really suck getting beaten by 2 amatures. How stupid are these guys to run as experts with WERA then 2 weeks later at the same track run as ams with CCS. They didn't think anybody would notice. I know people that do it and get away with it, but it is up to us riders to police it sometimes as the orgs cannot do background checks on everybody. A common scam that a lot of riders do is when they get bumped with one org, they just don't renew their license and switch to another the following year. There wera couple in WERA last year that switched from CCS.

[Big Deezul]

I must really suck getting beaten by 2 amatures. How stupid are these guys to run as experts with WERA then 2 weeks later at the same track run as ams with CCS. They didn't think anybody would notice. I know people that do it and get away with it, but it is up to us riders to police it sometimes as the orgs cannot do background checks on everybody. A common scam that a lot of riders do is when they get bumped with one org, they just don't renew their license and switch to another the following year. There wera couple in WERA last year that switched from CCS.

VERY VERY different from what happened here. Some times you can do one CCS double points weekend and enter a boat load of races, place fairly well and earn almost enough point to go expert in CCS. WERA doesnt use the same points system and even when you tell them your race history wouldnt even allow you to bump up.

To recap...if you are decent at VIR, enter every race you can put your bike in a dbl piont weekend and place top 5, does that make you an expert? I dont think so

[Sobottka]

VERY VERY different from what happened here. Some times you can do one CCS double points weekend and enter a boat load of races, place fairly well and earn almost enough point to go expert in CCS. WERA doesnt use the same points system and even when you tell them your race history wouldnt even allow you to bump up.

To recap...if you are decent at VIR, enter every race you can put your bike in a dbl piont weekend and place top 5, does that make you an expert? I dont think so

so its ok to have a ccs ex licence and a wera nv licence? i dont think so... expert is expert

[ahastings]

VERY VERY different from what happened here. Some times you can do one CCS double points weekend and enter a boat load of races, place fairly well and earn almost enough point to go expert in CCS. WERA doesnt use the same points system and even when you tell them your race history wouldnt even allow you to bump up.

To recap...if you are decent at VIR, enter every race you can put your bike in a dbl piont weekend and place top 5, does that make you an expert? I dont think so

I didn't say it was the same. I was just saying it is a ploy used by some. I know the CCS advancement system is easier than WERAs. In 2003 I did 2 1/2 race weekends with CCS one of which was double points and got bumped to expert, but I took it like a man and spent 2004 getting my butt kicked. In fact I am still getting my butt kicked quite regularly but I do my share of kicking back.

[PJ721]

well from my seat...you were doing the kicking at Summit...you were flying! 

[DougK]

I don't particularly understand the desire to stay AM/Novice.  Money?  No matter how much you win in the few purse races as a AM you still lose money going racing.  To me it's a desire to earn my EX license, it's a personal goal.  However, as pointed out by the people who were affected in the purse races, they are having money taken out of their pockets and that should be remedied.

[ahastings]

Nah....his duc clutch was terrible that weekend, if you remember, he stalled it twice off the line in two seperate races, then the thing was slipping.  This weekend he was pretty much consistent 18.000's each lap on the 999

I did redeem myself and beat them later in the day at the WERA races
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[Jeff]

Raking the shit out of contingency as an AM can make racing quite cost effective...

[njracer]

Raking the shit out of contingency as an AM can make racing quite cost effective...

Hopefully CCS will give them a lifetime ban and put an end to it.

[yetidave]

All I care about is the points I got screwed out of by these two jerkoffs. I know CCS will make it right. This is my first year racing with CCS, and to date, I've been nothing but impressed by the way they run their show.

[Super Dave]

I don't see a reason to ban them.  Yeah, they are dummies, but just make them experts so they race in a classification that they should be in.  Dump their finishes, move everyone up.  I can't say that I know what will be done, but it's an idea.